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A Podcast About Leadership

Rethinking the New Deal at Work with Wharton Professor Dr. Peter Cappelli

15 Sep 2025

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Fifty years ago, it wasn’t uncommon for someone to spend their entire career at a single company, with a clear career path and the resources and training programs to give them the skills they needed to advance along that path. Today, that world has largely disappeared. Organizations hire to meet their needs, employees move on quickly, and the bonds of loyalty have dissolved in both directions.Few people understand this transformation better than Dr. Peter Cappelli. Peter is the bestselling author of Talent on Demand, The New Deal at Work, Our Least Important Asset, In Praise of the Office, and countless other books on talent management and people strategy. He is the George W. Taylor Professor of Management at the Wharton School, Director of its Center for Human Resources, and one of the most influential voices in human resources.In our latest episode of A Podcast About Leadership, Dr. Cappelli joins hosts Dr. Jonathan Kirschner and Dr. Joy Nissen to unpack the evolving relationship between employers and employees. In this incredible conversation, we cover:How organizations shifted from loyalty and long-term development to transactional, market-driven talent decisionsThe positive and negative effects of this shift on leadersWhat talent leaders must do to rebuild trust and purpose inside their organizationsHow to balance efficiency and agility with the need for human developmentFor CHROs and other senior talent professionals, this conversation is a candid look at the forces reshaping the future of work — and what it will take to design organizations that can thrive in the years to come.

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