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Fuelcast: Demand destruction

27 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 32.675 Carrington Clarke

Music and more. Music and more. Welcome to Fuelcast, I'm Carrington Clark and this is your source to stay on top of the numbers behind the ongoing energy crisis. It's Monday, April the 27th. We're recording mid-morning, let's dig in. The price of Brent Crude has risen again to above $107 US dollars a barrel. The national average price of unleaded has dropped to $1.87 per litre.

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32.855 - 44.214 Carrington Clarke

And the national average price of diesel has dropped to $2.66 per litre. Today, I'm joined by Ian Verinder to dig into our major energy headlines. Good morning, Ian.

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Chapter 2: What are the latest developments in the Iran oil conflict?

44.374 - 45.256 Ian Verrender

Good morning, Carrington.

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45.617 - 70.282 Carrington Clarke

Ian, Donald Trump has provided a new type of deadline for this conflict. He says that Iran's oil pipes are going to start exploding from within in the next three days or so. Now, this doesn't seem to be about the US striking Iranian infrastructure, but instead about the buildup of pressure because Iran isn't able to get its oil out to global markets.

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70.883 - 79.077 Carrington Clarke

There has been previous analysis that this could start to become a problem for Iran, but how realistic is this timeline from the US president and how should we treat it?

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79.057 - 100.944 Ian Verrender

Well, I mean, there's absolutely no doubt that not pumping oil out of oil fields damages those fields and it damages the pressure in the fields. I'm not sure, not being a technical person here, I'm not sure about how far that damages the pipes. But I think one thing to be really cognizant of is that this is not merely something that affects one side of the Persian Gulf.

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100.984 - 116.386 Ian Verrender

I mean, you know, the entire Persian Gulf is not really pumping oil at the moment. Saudi Arabia is getting around about half or so of its oil out through the pipeline that goes through to the Red Sea. But there's a lot of damage being done to Saudi Arabia's fields as well.

117.187 - 127.002 Ian Verrender

I'm not sure about the veracity of the pipes exploding within three days, but clearly there is damage that will be incurred within those oil fields.

127.117 - 144.62 Carrington Clarke

It's a very good point that this is not just Iran at risk here. But Donald Trump, there is also a certain level of brinkmanship going on, isn't there? It's about which side can actually take the damage for longer. Is it Iran not being able to sell its oil to global markets? It's being cut off from that cash flow.

145.24 - 165.688 Carrington Clarke

Or is it the political pressure building on Donald Trump because of what this oil supply shock is doing to the global economy? Are we getting a better idea of just how damaging this cutoff of supply, this considerable hit to global supply, is actually doing to the global economy and what some of the long-term consequences could be?

165.848 - 183.212 Ian Verrender

Yeah, I mean, look, two things there. One, and the most important one, I think, is that from Tehran's point of view, they're prepared to fight to the death. From Washington's point of view, I don't think America is prepared to fight to the death. So, you know, you've got a different set of strategies running there.

Chapter 3: How is Donald Trump's warning affecting global oil supply?

260.935 - 280.53 Carrington Clarke

before the start of this conflict. That's obviously been very much helped by the excise tax cut, but the price of diesel is still very elevated from what it was. Are we really starting to see it biting here in Australia, particularly that elevated diesel price? And how do you see this playing out over the coming weeks?

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280.713 - 304.662 Ian Verrender

Look, I think Australia is in an extraordinarily fortunate position at the moment. We are probably as insulated from global events as any country could possibly be. And that is primarily because we have this LNG, this gas at our disposal that we're using as essentially as a bargaining chip, or in fact, even a weapon in some ways to bludgeon

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304.642 - 328.472 Ian Verrender

supplier nations of liquid fuels to deliver to us, because if they don't deliver to us, they don't get our gas. That's essentially the problem here. I mean, we're already seeing, you know, through the global economy, we're seeing a whole lot of, I guess, byproducts from fuel that are starting to run short, you know, helium, sulfuric acid, which are both crucial elements in chip production.

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328.452 - 353.143 Ian Verrender

They're both in extremely short supply. Diesel is another product, which is what's known as a middle distillate, which is one of the things that is globally going to become very short supply. And we're going to see that run right through Asia. Jet fuel, we've already seen problems there. And, you know, just last week, we saw, of course, Lufthansa announced that they were going to cut their...

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353.123 - 374.305 Ian Verrender

their flights, thousands of flights. Germany has essentially said that it is going to affect its economy. And the European Central Bank says that if this continues, we could see a halving in growth in Europe. So, you know, already it's starting to really reverberate through the global economy. But as I said, here in Australia, we're really quite fortunate.

374.285 - 388.935 Ian Verrender

I'd have to say the government's decision to cut the excise taxes, while it's welcome from the Bowser point of view, you have to question, are we really sending the right price signal through to consumers here?

389.033 - 404.376 Carrington Clarke

In that because the price is being artificially made lower, that people aren't taking into account the full extent of that cost increase and therefore they're maybe not using less of it. We're not seeing a demand impact in the way that we would otherwise see.

404.795 - 424.382 Ian Verrender

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, so we're already at what, stage two of this fuel program that the federal government's implemented. Do we wait until we start to really run out of fuel to be stepped up to a stage three where we get some kind of government restrictions coming into force? And that is what's going to happen globally.

424.622 - 442.808 Ian Verrender

Either prices will rise so high that people stop using fuel and the global economy slows down, or governments will step in with supply restrictions. You know, you can only use X amount of fuel per week or you can only buy fuel on certain days of the week, whatever those restrictions might be.

Chapter 4: What are the implications of reduced oil pumping on Iran's economy?

472.119 - 472.821 Ian Verrender

Thanks, Conor.

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