Chapter 1: What anniversary is being celebrated in this episode?
There is in the show notes document, there is something that's pre-show, colon. Casey has something that's about 60 seconds, barring tangents. Now, this is us, right? Well, no, I think Casey's talking about himself. He causes his own tangents in the middle of his own thought, and that leads to long digressions. You know, that reminds me. No, I'm just kidding.
So I have to bring us to our favorite, our mutual, the three of us, our collective favorite corner, which is...
uh anniversary corner because today as we record is march 11th of 2026 can you i think we should you should force us both to guess because i have no idea what this is the anniversary of marco you have any idea is it i mean it could be our show we started it sometime in the early part of the year so it could be the show i'm gonna say the show i thought it was february well uh neutral was january 11th
or something like that, maybe 17. I'm forcing myself not to, but I honestly have no idea what this is the anniversary of, Casey. Please tell us. All right, so I will put a link in the show notes, but this is a tweet from the 11th of March, 2013 from Casey Liss. Listen to Marco Arman, Syracuse, and I talk tech if cars isn't your thing. The Accidental Tech Podcast at ATP.FM.
So we are 13 years in as of today, gentlemen. Look at us go. Very nice. That was the publication of episode one? I believe that's right. I'd have to look. I think that's right. Yeah, hold on. We have really good URLs, so it won't be too long. Yes, we do. Oh, but that was, no, it wasn't episode one. No, see, look, I was right. Yeah, you were right. February 7th. All right, my bad.
So, but that was. Here's the easy URLs, atp.fm slash one. You never double checked it. Well, no, because if you recall, the first few were actually on SoundCloud or something like that. Yeah, we didn't have our own website yet. And we didn't have our own website. Yeah, check out my SoundCloud. We should have said that. That's right.
But anyway, episode four was released the 11th of March, 2013, and is a scant one hour, 18 minutes and 47 seconds. Yeah, episode one is 14 minutes. Can you imagine? Never did that again. It was accidental. I don't think we've done a pre-show in 14 minutes until maybe, maybe today. This is the 60 second one with no tangents. We're going to do it.
You had talked last week about one of your posts breaking containment. I don't know if we would go so far as to say it went viral, but it certainly got some attention. And Thomas Dixon was, I guess, the first person of many to point out, oh, people probably don't know that the Mac Pro exists. And assumed you were talking about the MacBook Pro, which starts at $1,700. And I think Thomas is right.
Yeah, this is my post at Broke Containment being seen by an audience that has no context for me or my deal or anything. And so when I posted about comparing the MacBook Neo's performance to the Mac Pro's performance in single-threaded and the price of the two of them and yada yada, people misinterpreted it in various ways.
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Chapter 2: What was the context of John's post that broke containment?
But all that being said, Apple has never really served low cost that well. But with this, they're going way further into it than they were before. And that's huge. And if anything, you know, I think Apple's
marketing angle of like look at what pc laptops give you for similar prices that's a smart play because when you look at what pc market what pc laptops give you for similar prices it's not good um and you know certainly chromebooks and other pc laptops are available for less but
not that much less and they're not that usable so this again like nothing else they could have done could have expanded the market the way this did but by roughly cutting the price in half by going to uh you know a 600 entry price like that's really good and i think when you compare the neo to other things in that price range it's going to compare really well for a lot of people's needs
Very much so. Going back to Pierre, does the Neo run Rosetta too? There were all these statements that the M chips provided silicon that simplified the job of Rosetta. Is that silicon in an A-class chip? I don't have any idea, but we're going to talk about this among other things in overtime this week as it turns out. But John, what's the answer here?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that, you know, I remember that when Apple was talking about that, like with the M1, that it had stuff that the phone chips don't, but we're a long way from the M1. And, you know, they've really beat things up.
So whatever thing might have been missing, I talked about last episode that like, it's kind of clear that Apple didn't build the A18 Pro with the Mac in mind based on how difficult it was to add a second really slow USB port. It's clear that Apple wanted to add a USB port, but it had, you know, It had limited options. They needed a cheap chip. The A18 Pro was the chip. It didn't support two USB.
They could have just included one. It would have been like, well, we always only wanted one. This was actually made for that. But it wasn't. They wanted two, and they had to hack it in. So it's clear that the A chips, at least the A18 Pro anyway, are not ideal for the Mac in terms of the peripherals and stuff. But I'm betting whatever things that it needed for Rosetta are there.
I haven't seen anyone say, oh, and by the way, the MacBook Neo doesn't run Intel apps. And yeah, we'll talk more about this in overtime.
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Chapter 3: What are the key features of the MacBook Neo compared to the Mac Pro?
So I'm going to assume that it does and whatever it needs to have for it, it has. I wonder if it doesn't support virtualization at the hardware level. That would be a question. But I think if it didn't, we would have heard about it by now. Well, yeah, it'll be interesting to see when people start stress testing these things.
But the thing is, like, all those differences between the M and A were emphasized when the M first appeared. But we've had so many A's since then, I feel like most things have trickled down, except for stuff that is really of no use to the phone. Because, you know, two USB ports on the phone is not a useful thing. And that's where the Neo got hamstrung.
But all the other stuff I think probably is useful, whatever things are needed for Rosetta and so on. Actually, you know what? Remember, we heard back when we were first discussing the rumors of what became CarPlay Ultra, we had heard that the way that was implemented was basically a virtualization layer on the phone that ran the gauge cluster version of CarPlay Ultra.
in like a virtualized real-time OS, and then the rest of the iOS platform ran on its slice of whatever. I don't think we ever got good confirmation on that, but if that was true, then recent iPhones would have had to support hardware virtualization on the processor. And, you know, assuming that was all true.
But anyway, even if that's not true, if that was like the direction they might have gone or a direction they were experimenting with, they would have added that support if it wasn't already there. So it is probably there. And I'm assuming the stuff that Rosetta needs is like... you know, some instructions that make certain things faster or whatever.
And as the ARM instruction set version has crept up since the M1, you know, anyway, we'll find out if someone gets these in their hands or someone discovers I tried to run an Intel app on my MacBook Neo and it didn't run at all. But yeah, anyway, see you over time. I'll talk more about this.
I would bet that if it is supported, I bet most Intel apps run faster on the Neo than they did on the last Intel Macs. Yeah, that's the way it's been on Rosetta for a while. So what's great about Squarespace, first of all, is it's easy. There's no coding or packages or stuff like that. You just use it, and you don't have to be technical.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the MacBook Neo's pricing for global markets?
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Brendan Shanks writes that's new in Xcode 26.4 Beta 3 CPU family ARM Sotra, which is H17S that contains P cores and M cores. Now there's a cluster type M enumeration to go with type E and type P. John, can you translate all that for me, please? Yeah, so H17S is the codename for the M5 Pro that was missing.
And I remember that rumor was like, oh, there's a bunch of these codenames in a new version of whatever OS it is, but there's no H17S. Where's the M5 Pro? Well, I don't know why it wasn't in there, but it's in there now. And the M type is the, you know, it's...
medium it's between the e efficiency cores and the p which are not the performance cores but are the super cores this is can we just like and i'm just going to adopt this the name and nomenclature of just like small medium and big because that's what they are like there's the big cores and you know they call them super now the big cores are super cores okay the smallest cores are what are called efficiency cores in the base chips okay
And then the Pro and Max now have a new medium core. The base chip has small and big. The Pro and Max have medium and big. And it is indeed a new core. Yeah, and they used M probably. I mean, I don't know if they meant medium or whatever because it's not like it's large and small. But anyway, M is a lot easier to remember.
We'll see if the E cores ever gets phased out because the plain M5 has them, but maybe like the plain M6 won't. But we'll see. Yeah. Yeah. So that simplifies the nomenclature a little bit more. And then Quinn Nelson had some more info on this. Right. So as per Quinn, the M5 Pro and M5 Max are on N3P, while the M5 Plane was on N3E.
Additionally, citing Baidu leakers with regard to the cores, the super cores are 4.61 gigahertz with 10 wide decoding. John, what does that mean? That means when you're decoding instructions, you can do 10 at the same time. It's like how wide is the superhighway running through the chip, sort of. Gotcha.
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Chapter 5: What are the latest developments in Formula One broadcasting?
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Chapter 6: How does Apple TV enhance the F1 viewing experience?
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of the new regulations for the 2026 F1 season?
Go ahead. But anyways, so Formula One is a bunch of pretty rich people spending money going around the world racing pretty big, pretty and fast cars. But I really enjoy it. I've gotten into it over the last several years. And
There's been a lot of F1 news, particularly for Americans, over the last month or two because Apple has taken over rights to broadcast all of the Grands Prix—I think I have that right—basically all the races here in America through Apple TV. which is super duper exciting. And I think we talked about it very briefly when that news had first landed here on the show.
But now the season has begun. We had our race in Melbourne or Melbourne if you're Australian.
Chapter 8: How does the Apple Watch compare to Garmin for fitness tracking?
And that was this past weekend as I record this. This coming weekend as I record this is the Chinese Grand Prix. And so I have done a little bit of Formula One-ing, if you will. I've gone racing through Apple TV and I wanted to talk about it a bit. First of all,
Right before the season started, I think it was early last week, there was genuinely bombshell news that Apple had arranged with Netflix, of all people, to do kind of a content exchange where Netflix is going to air a couple of the Grand Prix races. I think the Montreal Grand Prix in particular, which obviously is in Canada. There might be a couple others. I forget off the top of my head.
But they're going to air that on Netflix as well as on Apple TV. But interestingly, Apple TV, you can now use your Apple TV or Apple One or what have you account to play the Netflix show Drive to Survive, which is fascinating and extremely cool because Drive to Survive is basically like a drama documentary about the prior Formula One season. They have a new, you know, like...
five to ten episode run every year typically coming out shortly before the season starts and it is an incredible way to get into f1 if you are curious about f1 and really want to get into f1 um i cannot recommend drive drive to survive enough and you can now watch it on apple tv which is really cool because i canceled netflix like three years ago and so i was really excited to be able to watch it
And as it turns out, for reasons that are not exceedingly important, last season was very, very interesting and very, very exciting. And actually, this season that just started is also interesting and exciting, and we'll probably talk about, or hopefully get to talk about why here in a second. But...
Drive to Survive is a great way to do a recap of last season and kind of understand who the players are and race the drivers are, I should say. But also, you know, the team principle, which is to kind of like the coach and all the different teams and understand what made last year so interesting.
And I got to tell you, it is weird whiplash going into the Apple TV app, which I rarely use to begin with. going into Drives to Survive, and then immediately being presented with a Netflix, da-dun, like from the Apple TV app, it melted my brain, fellas. It was so weird. And there's nothing wrong with it. It was just the weirdest feeling that somehow I'm watching Netflix via the Apple TV platform.
Very, very weird. Apple has also provided a bunch of previews for the 2026 season. I'll put a link to a like I think it's 20 minute video that they've created or perhaps Formula One is created that you can watch in Apple TV just to give a very quick pitch for the 2026 F1 season.
Every five to ten years, I think it's like five-ish years, there's a set of regulation changes that define how you build your race car. And this year, in 2026, we have a new set of regulations around not only the car, but the power unit, which is a combination of a gasoline and electric motor.
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