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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Audible subscribers can listen to all episodes of Against the Odds ad-free right now. Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app. From Audible Originals, I'm Mike Corey, and this is Against the Odds. On the evening of January 30, 1998, a fishing boat called the Lakonti sank in the Gulf of Alaska.
In the midst of a hellish Arctic storm, the survivors were forced to abandon ship into water that was about 38 degrees Fahrenheit, surrounded by 50-foot waves, with some rogue waves reaching as high as 70 feet. Despite the conditions, the Coast Guard air station in Sitka launched multiple rescue attempts.
The first two helicopters were unable to save the fishermen, but a third finally succeeded in rescuing three of them. The pilot of that third helicopter is my guest today, retired Coast Guard Captain Steve Torpey. Captain Torpey, Steve, welcome to Against the Odds. It's nice to be here, Mike.
I think most of our listeners probably have the perspective of seeing the scenes that pass underneath from maybe an airplane passenger window. But I imagine being the front seat of a helicopter, you can see so much, especially up in Alaska, where there's mountains and all sorts of glaciers and things. Can you talk a little bit about what flying in Alaska is like?
How is it different than flying in other places?
Two things come to mind. First of all, we fly at 300 feet most of the time in the Coast Guard. We're at 300 feet above the water or above the land, mostly water in Alaska. So there are days where you can look out and see like 8,000 foot mountain peaks covered in snow. It's an amazing view. And then there are days where you launch in the middle of the night and you don't see a thing.
I remember flying several hours within a quarter of mile of a very big mountain and never seeing it. You know, just using the radar, using the GPS to navigate through very narrow fjords to get to a location at 300 feet and never seeing a thing. Just the nature of flying in Alaska. That's what makes it so hard.
We're going to speak more about this later, but let's dive into this particular night we're talking about. Tell me about the conditions that day.
For me, it was a Friday night. My wife and I, Carrie, had just kind of settled in for an evening that was rainy and windy, but that's very common in Alaska. And it wasn't until later on that things got interesting. So for me, it was just a quiet Friday night.
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Chapter 2: What happened on the night of January 30, 1998, in Alaska?
but the sea wasn't so quiet was it until i got offshore i didn't have any idea what the sea state was so when we were heading out there we were at 300 feet and i couldn't see the ocean it was too dark it was too much sea spray too much rain snow so didn't really see the water until we got into a hundred foot hover and it was then that we realized how big the ocean was i had never seen routine 50-foot waves
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So Steve, you and your fellow Coast Guards fly Sikorsky H-60 Jayhawk helicopters in Alaska. Can you give us just a general layout of what it's like to fly one of these?
The H-60 is a beast. I credit it with my life, honestly. Without that aircraft, I don't think I'd be able to give this interview. It has got an enormous amount of power. It's built like a truck, and it needed to be that night for us. It goes about 300 miles and then can spend 45 minutes on scene and then fly 300 miles back. So about a 600 mile radius. They fly about 180 knots speed.
They can go as high as 13,000 feet, but we rarely do that. They can hold about six to 10 survivors. It is very similar to the Navy's Seahawk helicopter and is basically born from the Army lineage of Black Hawk helicopters. I loved flying it, and I feel like I could do just about anything in that aircraft while I was flying it.
So January 30th, 1998, it was a Friday. We spoke about that. You said you were having a quiet night with your wife. Can you paint the picture of just what life in general was like for you back then?
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Chapter 3: How did the Coast Guard respond to the sinking of the fishing vessel La Conte?
Carrie and I were having a ball. We were fairly newly married. We were stationed in Alaska. Carrie's from a small town in Michigan, so she was very comfortable in a town of 2,000 people. And Carrie was four months pregnant with our first child that night.
So I had been home with her and fortunately I had not had anything to drink because that would have meant that I couldn't have accepted the mission. I would have had to disqualify myself. I think the fact that Carrie was pregnant, maybe I was being a little sensitive to that. So about nine o'clock is when the phone rang and that's when they called me in.
Yeah.
So the phone rang. And then when you got to the base in Sitka, what was the situation that you were briefed on? What did you learn at first?
Well, the first observation I had when I drove to the air station, it's only three miles from my house, and every light in the place was on. There were people running around and there was all this activity in the hangar. Hangar doors were open. So I parked the car, went up to the operations center, and the commanding officer, Ted Lefevre, was also in the operations center.
And there were lots of other people there as well, all trying to figure out if our aircraft had just crashed. And it turned out it was a mistake. But as I'm standing there at the ops center desk, realizing there's something huge going on right now, and I'm just about to learn what's happening.
And it turned out that Alaska Airlines had misinterpreted one of our helicopter's statements on the radio that said they were making an approach to the water as if they were crashing in the water. So once that got resolved, then they could start telling me and Captain Lefevre what was happening.
They started briefing us on the fact that we had launched the first helicopter and they were coming back. The second helicopter had left a few minutes before I got there.
and was currently on scene and i was going to be the third helicopter and it was still a chance that i wouldn't go but i do remember putting my hands in my pockets because i didn't want my captain to see my hands shaking well i imagine the the adrenaline and just looking at the odds and and the situation must have been quite an ordeal to understand digest what's happening
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Chapter 4: What challenges did the Coast Guard pilots face while flying in Alaska?
And I didn't know why it was there. We were guessing.
Because you had heard that they didn't get any of the survivors. So if there was no survivors in the actual aircraft, why is there an ambulance coming?
Yeah, that didn't make any sense. Then we heard that their flight mechanic was part of the crew had passed out from heat exhaustion and was being transferred to the ambulance because he was unconscious and needed medical care. And that also just added to the anticipation that this is not going to be an easy night. What other details did they give you about the conditions out there?
So the pilot, Bill Addicks, was talking to me on the radio. So we didn't talk face to face. I was already in my helicopter and he was just shutting his helicopter down. And he told us that he had worked for several hours and it was really tough conditions. The waves were enormous.
I just remember hearing the exhaustion in his voice and the concern he had for me and our crew, knowing what he had just gone through. And then it was my turn to go out and see what I can do.
And for the man who had heat exhaustion, I imagine that'd be quite difficult to get in Alaska at night. So what happened there?
Well, we're all wearing dry suits. So he's in a dry suit in an aircraft, even though he's got his head out into the winds, that's just ripping. The flight mechanic is the hoist operator. So he's got a control in his hand. He's holding onto the cable, trying to keep the cable and the basket under control.
And they also experienced another remarkable occurrence is that they came within six feet of the water. They had tried to hold a 100-foot hover thereabouts, and the flight mechanic later said he could see the wave come within six feet of the aircraft at one point. And I'm sure that stress added up with the heat exhaustion and just wiped them out.
Wow. So stressful to say the least. And as the new night vision goggles, the ones from the first chopper get transferred to your chopper, the third one, you head out. How are you feeling taking off, getting yourself into the thick of it all?
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Chapter 5: What were the conditions like during the rescue mission?
You cannot be wrong. If you're wrong, you'll hit a mountain and you'll die. So the left seat is very important. And typically the more experienced pilot would sit in the left seat because it's assumed that the person in the right seat would be perfectly capable of hoisting under any normal circumstances. But this case was different. I knew it right away. And I was walking out to the aircraft. I
I remember seeing the captain get into the right seat. And the right seat is where he traditionally had flown. He's new to the air station and didn't have a lot of experience in that aircraft. So he was most comfortable in the right seat. And I just knew this case was going to be different. And I remember finishing my walk around and he's already strapped in.
And the door was open and I looked up at him. I said, Captain, what do you think about the right seat? And he looked down at me and... I didn't know what his response was going to be. I could just be fired at that point. I'm kicking him out of the seat. I mean, he basically owns the air station.
But when we are together in the aircraft, I am the aircraft commander because I had the most experience, even though he's my boss. So he looked down at me and graciously just unbuckled and said, Steve, I'd do the same thing if I were in your shoes. So he got out, got in the left seat. And now he's in the left seat, not a place he's very comfortable in. And I'm in the right seat.
So the flying pilot in the right seat does most of the flying while we're hoisting because the flight mechanic is also on the right side of the aircraft looking out to the right.
And just to clarify that, so the pilot's not doing the hoisting himself, but he has a better view of where the basket's going to go on the right side of the plane where the hoist is so he can navigate the plane so that the mechanic in the back can actually do a lot of the manual work of lowering the basket down and handling the survivors when they come up.
Yeah, it's very important to realize while we're hoisting the pilot in the right seat, there's a point at which he can't see what we're hoisting to anymore. So the hoist operator is the eyes for the pilot. So the pilot is basically blind. He can't see the target because it's beneath them. The only person that can see that is the flight mechanic.
So it took another level of communication between Fred and I to get the helicopter over the place that we needed in order to get the basket where it needed to be.
You and your crew took off from the Coast Guard base in Sitka and began flying out into the storm to find the fishermen, which is about 120 miles away. Around 15 minutes into the flight, an alert went off. What was it?
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Chapter 6: How did the Coast Guard prepare for the rescue operation?
Yeah, the collective is a lever that's in your left hand. And it goes up and down, and it basically changes the power on the aircraft. It changes the pitch of the rotor blades. And it makes you go basically up and down. And it's part of the pilot duties to manage the collective, the cyclic, which is the stick, and then the pedals. And sharing controls is unusual, but we had to do it.
I was looking out to my right almost all night. Captain Cleaver was looking forward at the waves that were sometimes... Going above us. You know, the smoke flares would actually rise above our helicopter. And Captain would go, there's a big one coming. And he would pull on the collective and initiate the climb to ensure we didn't, like, fly right into the front side of a wave.
That's incredible to even picture. It's just the cinema of this...
chaotic scene chopper rattling away with the blades flares in this milky ocean with the snow and the rain just rising above and then you guys having to work together and trust each other 100 on both sets of controls to be able to get this basket to the right point but also not be engulfed by the waves that you can see with these smoky flares rising above the cockpit window that is an incredible visual
And we were trying to hold 100 feet. It just begs the question. There's no measuring stick out there, but those waves sometimes were bigger than us.
That's incredible to think about. Wow. Okay, so the flares were in the water, and now was the time to start dropping the basket. I imagine in this scenario, with the vertical movement of the waves and the horizontal pushing of the ocean, that must have been quite the struggle to be able to get over them directly.
Yeah.
It was. And it was a learning experience for both Fred and I. I was moving the cyclic, the stick, more than I've ever moved it before in my life. And I can remember seeing the rotors go up and down more than I've ever seen them. I beat the hell out of the helicopter.
And these fishermen in the water, how long had they been there at this point?
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