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Sunlight on Shadow AI: When Security Learns to Tinker—Rob T. Lee from the SANS Institute on AI Risk

23 Dec 2025

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Most security playbooks weren’t built for an era where AI moves faster than policy. Rob T. Lee says the default answer of “no” is creating a far bigger problem: shadow AI — widespread, unsanctioned usage that quietly exposes organizations to risk.Rob T. Lee — Chief of Research & Chief AI Officer at the SANS Institute — joins Wade to unpack pragmatic ways leaders can move forward without breaking things. From the “tinker/hacker” mindset that helps teams learn, to treating security like a lifeguard (not a chokehold), Rob lays out the short, repeatable moves that actually get enterprises experimenting safely: enable small experiments, create accountability partners (not mythical “AI champions”), red-team your integrations, and make governance part of the daily routine.In this episode you’ll hear:Why a blanket “no” to AI creates shadow AI and greater risk.How to flip policy toward a cautious “yes” and act like a lifeguard, not a jailer.Practical training tactics: 30 minutes a day, micro-projects, and hackathons.What good AI governance looks like — rules of acceptable use, vendor checks, red teams, and regulatory thinking.Why executives and boards need to be hands-on learners, not just hire an “expert.”The origins and purpose of the SANS Secure AI Blueprint and how to use it to align strategy, governance, and operations.Guest: Rob T. Lee — Chief of Research & Chief AI Officer, SANS Institute

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Sunlight on Shadow AI: When Security Learns to Tinker—Rob T. Lee from the SANS Institute on AI Risk

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3ª PARTE | 17 DIC 2025 | EL PARTIDAZO DE COPE

13:00H | 21 DIC 2025 | Fin de Semana

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