AI Haven't A Clue
Former Google DeepMind Exec Warns: “Humans Are Already Falling Behind AI” | Steve Brown
01 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Coming up on AI Haven't a Clue.
Chapter 2: What predictions does Steve Brown make about humanoid robots?
They can pump out robots all day long that are quite capable and less than $10,000 a piece.
We're talking about AI misconceptions.
To go to DeepMind where one of their five core values is kindness. The buzz in Silicon Valley is completely different than anywhere else in the world. How it's reshaping our lives. It becomes viable to put data centers in space, which sounds amazingly crazy.
Chapter 3: What misconceptions about AI does Steve Brown address?
And we're getting in to agents. You're not taking full advantage of AI.
Hello, welcome.
Chapter 4: Why is kindness a core value at DeepMind?
This is AI having a clue with KPMG. I am proud AI novice, George Butler. A proud novice, interesting. I am a proud AI expert, James Chandler. And I was trying to make the point that I'm proud not to be an expert in AI. Knee deep in AI.
Chapter 5: What insights does Steve Brown share about Silicon Valley's buzz?
It didn't come out quite right, though, did it?
Yeah, I don't feel like much of an expert sometimes. Sort of just coping with it. I know what you mean. Just plug it into the back of your head, you know, download it all, and then sort of away you go, yeah.
So it's a bit like severance.
Chapter 6: How could AI reshape the future of medicine?
A bit like that. Like when you come into the studio, you're an expert. When you leave, you're just Jimmy. You drain me.
Chapter 7: What are AI agents and how might they impact workflows?
Funnily enough, you're not the first person to say that. On the way today, we are chatting to a super fascinating guest. He's an AI futurist, an entrepreneur. He's worked at Google's DeepMind, Intel. I mean, he is a proper experienced tech legend. Steve Brown, coming up on the show. I mean, Google DeepMind, I feel like that's something we've never really talked about on the show before.
We should. What is DeepMind?
Sort of see it as Google's AI lab. So any sort of AI system they could build, probably stuff around language, probably stuff around maps. You know, it's sort of like a, what could I say, a sort of an AI potion that you could pour on all the brilliance that Google do already. But like an amazing UK success story.
It's really interesting as well. I mean, we should definitely talk to Steve Brown about, clearly we've got fantastic roots in the UK with tech and entrepreneurship and how we can continue to foster that. If it is flourishing or perhaps if it's falling behind. That's all in the way with Steve. First though, James, should we do a listener question? Yes, please. Yeah, I'd like that.
Let's do today's AI question with KPMG. Now, as you well know, anyone that asks a listener question, they win themselves this. Yes, a very fantastically fitting, high quality, quite stylish T-shirt is coming David's way in Liverpool. Hi, David. I feel like everyone in Liverpool's turned... Looch, looch in a booch. I apologise to anyone from Liverpool that is listening.
Today's AI question with KPMG is from David in Liverpool, who says, would you rather have a human doctor with 20 years experience or an AI-trained doctor on every medical paper ever written?
Goodness me.
Wow, that's a deep, deep question. Because one of the things that comes up time and time again when we talk about AI... and we're looking at the pros and the cons, people always say, you know, there are dangers, dangers, but then, you know, there's brilliant things that will be done in medicine and healthcare. So it's actually a really interesting question.
Healthcare has come up a lot, hasn't it, actually, in some of the guests we've talked to. My knee jerk goes, I think, probably the AI. But the more I sort of think about it, maybe the doctor wouldn't be a bad idea. The thing you've got to remember about what doctors do is sort of medicine and everything around it isn't just about sort of knowledge and retaining knowledge.
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Chapter 8: How can businesses effectively leverage AI for growth?
Take us back to that time at Intel where you were a futurist and you were sort of looking at that near, that far future.
What sort of futures were you talking about back then? This is 2015, 2016 timeframe. We were able to look out 10 or 15 years, and that was the timeframe that we were looking at. And so I helped them wrap up the 2025, 2026 business plan when I was there. And there were a few of us who were saying it's really about...
what at the time we were calling cognitive computing, which was before people were really saying AI. And the vision we had back then that that intelligence would be embedded into objects. Intel was a very, and still is in some ways, a very PC-centric organization. And so they always saw the world through the lens of that. And they were looking at embedding intelligence in things.
And they really weren't seeing what actually happened, which is the intelligence went into the cloud. So that was what people were thinking about was intelligent devices everywhere that would coordinate. And there was a kind of this vision of ambient computing where, you know, the world would just be smart and responsive to your needs.
We were talking about DeepMind at the start of the show and how it's effectively the brains of Google and where Google's going next.
What was it like working there? What were you up to? An amazing organization run by incredible people. So Demis Hassabis is a national treasure. He's one of the global minds in AI, highly respected. I have nothing but admiration for him and what he's achieved. And getting to work for him was just incredible.
Actually, my direct line boss was Lila Ibrahim, who was the chief operating officer at the time. Also an amazing human being, trying to make sure that AI is deployed responsibly in the world. Just working there, it's very chill. And yet there's so much this hive of activity to try and bring AGI to the world. And just inspiring to be there.
It was a bit of an adjustment for me, actually, because... At Intel, it was very dog-eat-dog, and you have to have sharp elbows, and my elbows perhaps weren't sharp enough when I was there. I don't really like that. But to go to DeepMind, where one of their five core values is kindness. You know, it's just, it's a really lovely collaborative environment.
And the number of people that would lean over and say, hey, can I help you with that? And they weren't going to get anything out of it. They just wanted to help you. So it has a lovely culture and they are probably the most important company in the UK right now.
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