Chapter 1: What is HumansAnd and what is their mission?
Welcome to the podcast. I'm your host, Jaden Schaefer. Today on the show, I want to talk about a really interesting company called HumansAnd. And I think the reason why a lot of people are talking about them is that right now we have all of these different chatbots and have gotten really good at answering questions. They're really good at summarizing documents or solving equations, right?
All of these types of things we think about all the time.
Chapter 2: How does AI Box's new file upload feature work?
But for all, you know, for how intelligent and how smart they are, most of them still act like they're kind of this solo assistant, right? They're optimized for one user and for doing one prompt at a time. What they're not doing and what they're not very good at is some of these really messy, more human kind of work of collaboration things that we do. So whether that's like
you know, coordinating groups with a bunch of conflicting priorities, or if they're tracking decisions over weeks or months, or if they're trying to help teams stay aligned or goals, and you know, all these goals and people and information is all kind of shifting around. This is what AI chatbots are struggling with today.
Chapter 3: What unique vision does HumansAnd have for AI collaboration?
And so humans and is building a solution to this. I'm going to get into all of this on the podcast today. But before we do, I wanted to mention the new feature we've just added to AI box that I'm super excited about. And that is file uploads for our builder. So we have a vibe builder tool.
If you've never built a software before and ever built a tool before, you can go to AI box to AI, describe what you're trying to build on our builder and our AI will automatically link together different AI models and fill out the prompts. And we've been doing this for a while. It's something we're excited about. we just added the ability for you to do file upload.
So like one example is I created a headshot photo generator and you can create like a hundred different variations. In fact, I had a friend and he used to have a company that was literally an AI Viking generator. So you would pay him like 20 bucks and he would give you 20 images of yourself as a Viking and you upload a few photos of yourself or whatever.
You can now build that along with a million different variations of that And of course, a lot of very useful things when you're doing PDFs and files and all that kind of stuff that you upload to the builder and create tools and systems for all this kind of stuff. But you can build that now on AIbox.ai.
So if you want to go check it out, we've just added that functionality and I'd love to hear what you guys think about it. And there's a link in the description to AIbox.ai.
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Chapter 4: What challenges do current AI models face in collaboration?
All right. Let's talk about what Human Ands is doing. So it's a three month old startup. They were founded by some alumni that came from Anthropic, Meta, OpenAI, XAI, Google DeepMind. So a lot of, you know, a lot of top AI labs. And essentially, they believe that the next kind of step for some of these AI models is not just better answers, but better coordination. So
They just raised $480 million in a seed round, and they're trying to get what they call a, quote, central nervous system for human plus AI, the human plus AI economy, which is basically a system designed around social intelligence rather than pure information retrieval. So it's obviously kind of an interesting concept.
And if, you know, random people are trying to do it, who knows what would have happened.
Chapter 5: How does HumansAnd plan to differentiate itself in the AI market?
But obviously, this is a very cracked team that has worked at a lot of these big AI firms. And so they're able to raise half a billion dollars as their seed round, which is incredible. So a lot of early, I think, coverage is kind of focused on the company's kind of AI for empowering humans framing.
But I think the ambition for their whole company is a lot deeper than, I don't know, they kind of had this kind of like motivational language on their website, which I don't think was that important. Obviously, people are just giving them money because they have a great team. But now I think this kind of direction they're taking is great.
They're trying to build a new foundation model, one that is architected specifically for understanding people in groups. So how they communicate, how they disagree, how they align, how they make decisions together over time. I think this is really kind of an interesting concept and important because if you think about it at work or at school or wherever,
Sometimes we do projects alone, but a lot of projects we have to do with other people and there's a lot of different stakeholders in a project and you have to look at everyone's input and thoughts and it's just kind of a mess. And so if an AI is trying to do everything, it's just going to try to do it all itself and not really take everyone else's thoughts into consideration.
This is what they said. Annie Peng is one of the co-founders. She was formerly at Anthropic, and she said, I think a lot of that shift is already possible. And you see this across a lot of different industries. Companies are moving from kind of these chat interfaces to more agent-based systems. Models are, you know, getting much better.
I mean, even just what ChatGPT 5.2 can do today is, I think, leagues above what we were getting a year ago. So obviously, these things are getting better.
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Chapter 6: What role does social intelligence play in HumansAnd's approach?
But some of the workflows, I think, are still really fragmented, right? So if you're looking at the true bottlenecks, I think a lot of time it is coordinating things. It's not just like how smart the AI model is. And then you also have the other side of that, which is a lot of workers right now feel very overwhelmed or they feel very threatened by a lot of these AI tools.
And basically, this kind of like promise of efficiency is, I think, scary for a lot of people who are like, well, how is this going to address, you know, what's going on inside of my organization? And is this going to displace me? So humans and that's the name of the company.
And they're essentially trying to set themselves as an answer to that tension that we're seeing, you know, whether that is, you know, framing this philosophically or strategically. I think this is probably a really good time for them to jump in and and kind of lead with that. So despite them obviously raising a massive seed round and they have a really solid team, they don't yet have a product.
And I think that is also very interesting. The company is really deliberate, I guess, in how vague they are about what the first vision is going to look like of their new AI model they're training. Although they've all kind of hinted that it's going to replace or sit along some multiplayer collaboration environments. You can imagine things like Slack or Google Docs or Notion, etc.
I think their target audience right now is both enterprise teams and like different consumer products.
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Chapter 7: How is HumansAnd addressing the concerns of AI displacement?
So companies and families, they kind of talk like they're going to approach both of those. Their CEO, who is Eric Zekerman, he was formerly at XAI, and he said, we are building a product and a model that is centered on communication and collaboration. He said that their goal is to basically help people work together more efficiently, not with AI tools, but with one another.
So that's kind of interesting.
Something interesting their CEO brought up is that a really big part of the company's thesis is, you know, trying to understand or essentially have their chatbot ask questions because right now a lot of these chatbots are asking questions and they're doing this without really understanding why they're asking them.
And so I guess an example he gave of what they're trying to solve or something that they did is, you know, in this kind of like group decision making is he said that, you know, if you're choosing a roadmap or you're trying to do something like a logo, it can help coordinate and often.
you know, solve a lot of the problems that these really long meetings will have when there's kind of unclear consensus, there's decision fatigue. Apparently, he said that this was something they put a lot of thought into, because when they were coming up with their logo for their process, it was a super drawn out process.
And it was really hard for them all to agree on a logo and trying to think of something that illustrated what they're trying to solve. And so he's trying to create this smarter, essentially this model that is optimized for building trust and, you know, creating this kind of long term value of clarification, this context building.
He said right now, basically all of the AI models are optimized for giving this like immediate user satisfaction and answer correctness. But they're not trying to do these other things. So they want their model to ask questions the same way maybe like your colleague would ask.
They said they want it to be really selective and purposeful and with memory and some prior interactions that you might have had with it and integrate all of that into the response it's giving. It's a very ambitious project.
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Chapter 8: What insights can we gain from the competitive landscape of AI?
It's also kind of vague and opaque and hard to understand. If I'm being 100% honest, there's a lot of buzzwords thrown in there and a lot of like, this is a problem. And if I'm being 100% honest, I don't know if all of their problems are problems. I'm excited to see what they come up with.
And if they just have a model that's really good at one specific thing, or if they pivot to that in the future, I'll be thrilled. They've raised, you know, half a billion dollars, I think they're gonna be able to pull something off. And I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but sometimes I do feel like that.
One of their co-founders, Peng, said, part of what we're doing is making sure that as the model improves, we can co-evolve the interface and behavior into something that actually makes sense as a product. I think, obviously, what they're trying to do is not build a model that is just simply plug it into some existing collaboration tools.
They want to build their own collaboration layer that they that they were actually creating. I think it's definitely a crowded space. There's a lot of competition here. There's a lot of different productivity tools and they're getting a lot of money. They're raising a lot of money. So everyone's trying to kind of create this intelligence layer built into meetings and notes and workflows.
So you could look at like Granola, that's an AI note taking startup, and they just raised $43 million at a $250 million valuation. And they're rolling out a whole bunch of collaboration features. And so and it's also kind of interesting, like with Granola's case, because they just started out as like literally an AI note taking startup. They got a lot of usage. They were quite useful.
And then they're rolling out to all of these other areas where like human and is like, you know, got some really solid researchers and they're like, we're going to do everything, but they have no product. And I sometimes I wonder which of these is better. And I feel like something like Granola is a great company where they proved that they had a lot of demand.
They proved that they had a solid team. Then they go raise more money and expand and
humans and and a lot of these other labs and and maybe i'm gonna look like the dummy in the future but um a lot of these labs that just raise massive amounts of money with no product and no roadmap i don't know to me it just seems quite crazy and i hope that they can all deliver i anyways that's gonna be the most stressful way to do it for the founders i guess i'll put it that way so
At the same time, there's a lot of really influential voices that are kind of reframing the future around AI coordination rather than automation. Reid Hoffman has argued that companies are misusing AI by using it in isolated pilots rather than kind of getting it straight into how their teams are sharing knowledge and information.
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