OpenAI Steals $200M Contract in Anthropic vs. Pentagon Battle
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What is the high-stakes conflict between Anthropic and the Pentagon?
Today on the show, we have some latest advancements in the whole story between the showdown of Anthropic and the Department of War, the Pentagon. They've essentially been, they're moving to designate them as a supply chain risk. And it looks like Anthropic may have been played by Sam Altman and OpenAI, who have swooped in and taken the contract that the Department of War has just canceled. So anyways, there's a whole bunch of drama in there. We're going to cover all of that on the podcast. Before we do, if you want to try the latest models from Anthropic or from ChatGPT or Gemini or even audio models like Love & Labs, I'd love for you to try out my startup, which is AIbox.ai. You get access to over 40 of the top audio, image, text models.
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This is Pete Hegseth, and it's kind of under Donald Trump. And basically the center of this whole argument is a question I think that is going to be really important for how AI is used inside of government going forward in the future. And that is kind of who is, you know, who's in control of these AI systems that are powering the most powerful national defense systems. So Anthropic CEO Dario Amadeo, he said like he basically made this big statement where he's basically saying he doesn't want his AI models to be used for two specific things, mass domestic surveillance of Americans and also fully autonomous weapons that select and engage targets without human involvement. So those are kind of his two red lines.
And between and, you know, between those two things, He said that, look, we can't keep supporting the military on these different use cases that they might be pursuing. And so he kind of put safety safety guards and guardrails into what Anthropic is capable of doing so that the government can't do that now. The Pentagon's position is also, I mean, they're very direct on what they want. So the Secretary Hegseth basically is arguing that the Department of Defense shouldn't be constrained on their use cases by the internal policies of an AI company. Now, on the one hand, I agree with Anthropic in a sense that I don't want the government doing mass surveillance of Americans with AI systems. And I also agree that, you know, fully autonomous AI that goes and executes, you know, kill shots or whatever without a human intervention is very, you know, a very crazy kind of ethical boundary that I don't think we want to we want to get into.
So I don't really like either of those two use cases. But on the other hand, I do see the argument that, you know, if we have these, you know, these AI vendors that are kind of making their own rules, and perhaps those two are good red lines, right? Well, what happens in the future when Anthropic says, actually, we don't want these to be used for any of these other, you know, military use cases like, you know, war planning or strategies or anything that could contribute to someone dying in the future. Like you could see this... essentially being if their policy shifts, and all of a sudden, like the US Department of Defense is, you know, integrating this AI system into all of their different systems for the military, and all of a sudden, they changed, you know, the internal policies of their company, then all of a sudden, the capabilities of the military get nerfed, it doesn't seem like a very safe place for the government to be out.
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