All About Agatha Christie
Episodes
And Then There Were 5: Nemesis by Agatha Christie (with special guest Jamie Bernthal!)
26 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Get comfortable, because this is a loooong episode (at this rate, Sleeping Murder will have to be released in six parts, like a miniseries). But can y...
*Special Announcement* re Magnolia Blossom by Agatha Christie (Free Patreon Episode!)
14 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It may not be a heart-shaped box of chocolates wrapped in crinkly plastic, but I hope you'll enjoy my Valentine's confection for you in the form of a ...
Interview with Sophie Hannah, Author of The Couple at the Table
11 Feb 2022
Contributed by Lukas
Another episode, another Sophie Hannah confection! Come for the Death on the Nile gush-fest and the discussion of character versus plot in contemporar...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: Double Sin by Agatha Christie
28 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
We get lots of Poirot and Hastings in this fairly light-hearted short story, and lots of Poirot and Hastings and Lemon and Japp in the stupendously li...
And Then There Were 6: Passenger to Frankfurt by Agatha Christie (with bonus Sophie Hannah!)
15 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
It wasn't easy recording my first episode without Catherine, but fortunately I had a friend to help me: Sophie Hannah, who duked out the rankings with...
A Bittersweet End-of-Year Episode: How Does Your Garden Grow? by Agatha Christie
11 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It was extremely difficult to edit this episode, which is the final one I recorded with my co-host, Catherine Brobeck, before she passed away. I hope ...
Sad News: A Death in the All About Agatha Family
27 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Please listen for a message about the unexpected passing of one of our own.
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Mystery Author John Copenhaver
20 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We had an absolutely lovely time chatting with author John Copenhaver about his new book, The Savage Kind (https://bookshop.org/books/the-savage-kind-...
A Very Special Episode: The State of the Rankings
05 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We do this every year, and it gets more unwieldy and yet more enjoyable as time goes by. Join us as we fine-tune our rankings of the sixty (!!) Christ...
And Then There Were 7: Hallowe'en Party by Agatha Christie
22 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
"It's Hallowe'en! It's Hallowe'en! The moon is full and bright! And we shall see what can't be seen on any other night!" Which in a Christie novel mea...
A Very Special Episode: Interview (#2!!) with Anthony Horowitz
09 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Let's not bury the lede here: we just may have gotten ourselves written into a future Anthony Horowitz mystery. We encourage you to check out Anthony'...
And Then There Were 8: By the Pricking of My Thumbs by Agatha Christie
25 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Tommy and Tuppence are back! But are they better than ever? While the reintroduction of T&T into our lives--along with head injuries, hidden jewels, a...
*LIVE!* Episode: Revisiting The Mysterious Affair at Styles at the Int'l Agatha Christie Festival
17 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We were honored to host our own event this week at the International Agatha Christie Festival in Torquay, revisiting Christie's first novel, The Myste...
A Miss Marple Nightcap: The Case of the Caretaker by Agatha Christie
11 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
If you thought two hours was enough for us to talk about Endless Night, you were wrong! Sort of. This short story formed the basis (plot-wise) for tha...
*Special Announcement* re Our Upcoming (Virtual) Appearance at the Int'l Agatha Christie Festival
04 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We're disappointed that our appearance at the Festival has to be virtual (insert pithy Shakespearean insult of choice here, directed COVID's way), but...
And Then There Were 9: Endless Night by Agatha Christie
28 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
You might want to put on some rain gear before listening to this episode, because it is a bit of a gush fest. Hooray for this late-career Christie gem...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Under Dog by Agatha Christie
13 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
As this is one of Christie's longer short stories--legitimately novella-length--we found a great deal to analyze and discuss. Just think of it as one ...
And Then There Were 10: Third Girl by Agatha Christie
24 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Unlike so many late Poirots we've read recently, this one actually features a ton of Poirot (and Ariadne Oliver!), from beginning to end. And while se...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Cornish Mystery by Agatha Christie
10 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
While our favorite Cornish mystery might involve guessing what's in the latest pasty we're devouring, this one was pretty satisfying too! Let's dig in...
And Then There Were 11: At Bertram's Hotel by Agatha Christie
25 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We may as well admit up front that this was not our favorite Christie. But it *is* a Miss Marple novel, and it *does* have a fantastic setting. So all...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Adventure of Johnnie Waverly by Agatha Christie
11 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We had as much fun as we usually do unraveling this early Poirot short story--perhaps especially when it came to the adaptation, which is quite a foun...
And Then There Were 12: A Caribbean Mystery by Agatha Christie
22 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Though the biggest mystery may be how to spell and pronounce "Caribbean," there is plenty of intrigue to go around in this Miss-Marple-on-holiday stor...
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Alexandra Andrews, Author of Who Is Maud Dixon?
09 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
What a great time we had gabbing with this debut author about her recently published (and much buzzed-about) novel... almost as great a time as we had...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Plymouth Express by Agatha Christie
24 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This short story is a precursor to The Mystery of the Blue Train, but don't let that put you off! We found much to enjoy--both in the source material ...
And Then There Were 13: The Clocks by Agatha Christie
09 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Well... they can't all be winners, can they? This (barely-there) Poirot novel is not one of our favorites, we're sorry to say. But as usual, we relish...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The King of Clubs by Agatha Christie
26 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We've got Poirot. We've got Hastings. We've got a prince. A lady of mysterious origins. A frozen-in-time bridge tableau! If you need more, you're prob...
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Sarah Pearse, Author of The Sanatorium
12 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We were fortunate enough to sit down with Sarah Pearse, the author of one of this season's hottest (or is that iciest?) thrillers, The Sanatorium. The...
And Then There Were 14: The Mirror Crack'd from Side to Side by Agatha Christie
06 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Someone might need to stage an intervention, because the longer we talk about Christie, the more we apparently have to say! We hope you enjoy our supe...
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Martin Edwards, Scholar of Agatha Christie... and Much More!
19 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We were thrilled to speak with Martin Edwards, one of the foremost scholars of detective fiction of the Golden Age. He is also a mystery novelist in h...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Adventure of the Clapham Cook by Agatha Christie
12 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It isn't often that we focus as much on an adaptation of a Christie story as the story itself, but if ever there were an episode to do so, it's this o...
And Then There Were 15: The Pale Horse by Agatha Christie
31 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
We had such a fantastic time discussing this late-career Christie gem, as creepy and unsettling as the story may be.... Beware the Pale Horse! This ep...
A Miss Marple Nightcap: Tape-Measure Murder by Agatha Christie
16 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
A Miss Marple short story is always cause for celebration, and this one is no exception. Come with us--to St. Mary Mead, of course--where Miss Marple ...
And Then There Were 16: Cat Among the Pigeons by Agatha Christie
01 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
While there is so much we hope will be different about 2021 as compared to 2020, our passion and appetite for Christie do not feature on that long, lo...
A Special Episode: Listeners Address the "Stuck in its Time" Aspect of Reading Agatha Christie
24 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Consider this our "Christie for Christmas," an original episode all about what it's like to read Christie in the here and now--in particular, those as...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Flock of Geryon & The Apples of Hesperides by Agatha Christie
18 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This episode completes our review of The Labours of Hercules collection. We also took the opportunity to comment on the somewhat disappointing--but no...
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Mark Aldridge, Author of a Brand-New Poirot Reference Book
26 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
It's been a while since we've had Mark on our show, but we couldn't pass up the opportunity to fawn over his new book, Agatha Christie's Poirot: The G...
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Tana French
21 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We are both HUGE Tana French fans, so we suspect many of you are too. This interview was a joy to record; we hope you enjoy it half as much as we did....
And Then There Were 17: Ordeal by Innocence by Agatha Christie
14 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We had A LOT to say about this undeniably striking offering in the latter half of the Christie catalogue--not all of it good, but all of it quite hear...
*Special Announcement* re Free-to-Listen Patreon Episode: Murder, She Wrote & Midsomer Murders!!
06 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Visit our Patreon site at: http://www.patreon.com/allaboutagatha. We hope you enjoy the episode! (If you've been jonesing after LOTS of Angela Lansbur...
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Anthony Horowitz
30 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We're thrilled to have gotten to speak with author/screenwriter/producer Anthony Horowitz, who has brought us so much joy--and not only for the Poirot...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Horses of Diomedes & The Girdle of Hippolyta by Agatha Christie
24 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In a perfect world, we could apply Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" drugs campaign referenced in our first story to the questionable art restoration techn...
A Very Special Anniversary Episode: The State of the Rankings
09 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Normally we use this space in our anniversary episode to bemoan the passage of time, but when it comes to 2020 we can all probably agree that we'd lik...
And Then There Were 18: 4.50 from Paddington by Agatha Christie
26 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We apparently couldn't stop talking about what Mrs. McGillicuddy saw! (Especially because this is in some ways still an open question by the end of th...
*Special Announcement* re International Agatha Christie Festival (Online Only!)
13 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We encourage you to take a moment to check out not only our three interviews, but all the offerings available starting Tuesday 15 September via the In...
A Miss Marple Nightcap: Greenshaw's Folly by Agatha Christie
12 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
It was a pleasure to revisit our dear old Aunt Jane in short story form... especially in a mystery like this one, which features deceptive appearances...
*Special Announcement* Calling for Listener Submissions
29 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We are truly excited for the opportunity to hear directly from you, our dear listeners, about how you negotiate the "stuck in its time" aspect of read...
And Then There Were 19: Dead Man's Folly by Agatha Christie
22 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Reading this Poirot novel was like revisiting an old friend. So come along with us to the riparian oasis of Nasse House (a.k.a. Greenway), where all o...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Stymphalean Birds & The Cretan Bull by Agatha Christie
31 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Our dear Hercules is still labo(u)ring his way through the twelve tasks in this standout short story collection, hooray! Appearances can be--and usual...
And Then There Were 20: Hickory Dickory Dock by Agatha Christie
18 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Real talk: this was not our favorite Christie. (That may in fact be a massive understatement.) But we will always cherish the opportunity to discuss a...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Erymanthian Boar & The Augean Stables by Agatha Christie
03 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We have two more enjoyable entries to cover in The Labours of Hercules collection. Join us as we follow Papa Poirot up into the airy heights of the Sw...
And Then There Were 21: Destination Unknown by Agatha Christie
21 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We can't say we particularly relished reading this mid-career Christie thriller, but we CAN say we relished *discussing* our reading of this mid-caree...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Lernaean Hydra & The Arcadian Deer by Agatha Christie
05 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
You get two Poirot short stories in this episode for the price of one--but the bargain gets even better, because the first of these felt very much lik...
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Ruth Ware
15 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We were delighted to get Ruth Ware on the phone, author of five recent--and already quite beloved--psychological crime thrillers. (This is her preferr...
And Then There Were 22: A Pocket Full of Rye by Agatha Christie
08 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We're not sure what to say about the length of this episode except that we seem to have a greater bandwidth for gabbing on about Christie these days.....
*Special Announcement* in re Extra (Free-to-Download) Content!
25 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We are making our latest Patreon episode, all about the Anthony Horowitz mystery Magpie Murders, free to download (and distract)! This glorious nerdfe...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Nemean Lion by Agatha Christie
19 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We are so excited to be starting in earnest, at long last, The Labours of Hercules collection. Especially as it begins with such a charming Foreword a...
And Then There Were 23: After the Funeral by Agatha Christie
03 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We both adored this (somewhat) unsung Christie gem... though not without reservations. Fortunately, for purposes of discussion, those reservations tur...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Incredible Theft by Agatha Christie
20 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
There is a lot going on in the world at the moment, but there will always be Agatha Christie. Join us as we celebrate our final Christie novella, whic...
And Then There Were 24: They Do It with Mirrors by Agatha Christie
07 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
While we never do get the mirror the title seems (out of context) to promise, there was so much to adore in this imperfect yet rollicking early '50s n...
Communing with Mr. Quin: The Love Detectives by Agatha Christie
22 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
The love detectives are back--and in a story titled The Love Detectives, no less! Join us as we puzzle over why this perfectly delightful serializatio...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: Dead Man's Mirror by Agatha Christie
01 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
It's time for another novella, this one full to bursting with characters, incident, and puzzle mystery elements. We also get a guest appearance from M...
And Then There Were 25: Mrs. McGinty's Dead by Agatha Christie
18 Jan 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We couldn't stop talking about Mrs. McGinty being dead! Mainly good things, though not *all* good things. But what a delight it was to reach, at long ...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: Murder in the Mews by Agatha Christie
03 Jan 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We begin the year in style with one of Dame Agatha's leaner puzzle mysteries--especially among those featuring our favorite grandstanding Belgian dete...
A Very Special Holiday Episode: The Call of Wings by Agatha Christie
20 Dec 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Most people know the apocryphal tale of Agatha's sister challenging her to write a murder mystery, but years earlier--1912 or thereabouts--her mother ...
And Then There Were 26: They Came to Baghdad by Agatha Christie
14 Dec 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Real talk: this is not one of our favorite Christies. Alas. But it features some excellent scene setting in and among Baghdad and Basrah; whenever Chr...
A Very Special Episode: Knives Out, the Agatha Christie-Inspired Film
06 Dec 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We've been looking forward to this film for months... and are happy to report that on the whole it did not disappoint! Let's swoon together over cleve...
A Very Special Episode: Interview (#2!!) with Sophie Hannah, Author of New Hercule Poirot Novels
27 Nov 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We had so much fun speaking with Sophie Hannah a year ago, we had her on again! Tuck in for a free-ranging conversation that starts with Sophie's new ...
Getting Happy with Parker Pyne: Problem at Pollensa Bay by Agatha Christie
22 Nov 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Somehow, we've reached our penultimate Parker Pyne story. As we won't be covering the last one till that far-off, misty era when our podcast ends, thi...
And Then There Were 27: A Murder is Announced by Agatha Christie
08 Nov 2019
Contributed by Lukas
You know the drill by now: long episode = lovefest episode. In 1950 a murder was announced, and the world was never the same.... Join us as we gush ov...
A Very Special HALLOWE'EN Episode: The Last Séance & The Lamp by Agatha Christie
26 Oct 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We have two creepy and unabashedly supernatural short stories for your spine-tingling pleasure this Hallowe'en season. And even though this is Christi...
And Then There Were 28: Crooked House by Agatha Christie
12 Oct 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We went a little long with this one, which is as good an indicator as any of how much we *adored* this gem of a Christie (Kemper especially). And what...
Getting Happy with Parker Pyne: The Oracle at Delphi by Agatha Christie
27 Sep 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Do it, Rockapella: Well he glides around the globe from Paris to Damascus. He's a double-dealing sleuth with a taste for trickery He'll take you for a...
A Very Special (Anniversary) Episode: The State of Our Rankings
20 Sep 2019
Contributed by Lukas
How is it possible that another year has passed? We lay the blame squarely on Dame Agatha, whose light prose and masterful puzzles have made the month...
And Then There Were 29: Taken at the Flood by Agatha Christie
12 Sep 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We are back with another Poirot novel! And we were on the whole quite pleased with this twisty-turny post-WWII puzzle mystery, perhaps most notable fo...
Communing with Mr. Quin: Harlequin's Lane by Agatha Christie
30 Aug 2019
Contributed by Lukas
'Tis time for the final story in the Mysterious Mr. Quin collection, and while *technically* things end with a thud rather than a bang, we were by no ...
Get Your Creep On: The Red Signal by Agatha Christie
17 Aug 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We've got an early short story involving supernatural premonitions, inherited insanity, and an early example of the very Christie-ish imperative to re...
A Miss Marple Nightcap: The Case of the Perfect Maid by Agatha Christie
08 Aug 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Sometimes when Christie takes to the short story form, she gets a little loose, a little wacky. We saw that in our last Miss Marple short story, and w...
And Then There Were 30: The Hollow by Agatha Christie
27 Jul 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Well, whenever we go beyond an hour of nattering away about a title, it's a good sign, and this episode is no exception. Come and bask with us in the ...
Communing with Mr. Quin: The World's End by Agatha Christie
21 Jul 2019
Contributed by Lukas
You know the drill by now: we've got Quin; we've got Satterthwaite; we've got spooky intrigue; we've got thwarted lovers. How's it all going to end? W...
Getting Happy with Parker Pyne: The Pearl of Price by Agatha Christie
13 Jul 2019
Contributed by Lukas
It's been a while since we visited the enchanting city of Petra by way of Christie, and this one is definitely a much simpler, slighter puzzle mystery...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: Yellow Iris by Agatha Christie
30 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
What's better than a tale of twin poisonings like we had in our last episode? Twin tales of twin poisonings, of course. This short story is substantia...
And Then There Were 31: Sparkling Cyanide by Agatha Christie
23 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We both relished this glittering tale of twin poisonings set within a posh circle at a swanky London restaurant, though it comes with a few problems/w...
A Miss Marple Nightcap: Strange Jest by Agatha Christie
15 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
You'd be forgiven for mistaking the bucolic English country estate where this story is set for the Borscht Belt of upstate New York, because this Miss...
Communing with Mr. Quin: The Bird with the Broken Wing by Agatha Christie
07 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
As Mabelle Annesley could perhaps sing for you herself on her ukulele, it's time to "Get Ur Freak On," and how, in this remarkably cuckoo Monsieurs Qu...
Getting Happy with Parker Pyne: The House at Shiraz by Agatha Christie
01 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Bar the gates, because Parker Pyne is still abroad, flitting here, there, and everywhere in the Middle East. This time we find him in Persia (i.e., Ir...
And Then There Were 32: Death Comes as the End by Agatha Christie
27 May 2019
Contributed by Lukas
While we did not love this one, we do appreciate what an outlier it is within the Christie canon, and the fact that it was the first "historical whodu...
A Miss Marple Nightcap: Miss Marple Tells a Story by Agatha Christie
17 May 2019
Contributed by Lukas
It has been too long since we visited with Miss Marple in short story form, which Christie herself identified as our favorite spinster sleuth's natura...
Communing with Mr. Quin: The Dead Harlequin by Agatha Christie
09 May 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Mr. Quin has decided to haunt our podcast yet again with one of his trademark spooky tales involving a seemingly locked-room suicide, a talented (yet ...
*Special Announcement* re Our Brand New Patreon Account!
05 May 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We are excited to announce that we have started a Patreon account for bonus or extra episodes of our podcast. Please listen for a more thorough explan...
Getting Happy with Parker Pyne: The Gate of Baghdad by Agatha Christie
27 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Parker Pyne is still abroad, spreading his statistician-acquired cynical know-how the same way his forebears spread smallpox, this time on a "Pullman ...
And Then There Were 33: Towards Zero by Agatha Christie
21 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Christie rarely deals in psychopaths, but when she does she tends to handle them with panache, and this novel is no exception. (Not a spoiler, as we a...
A Very Special Episode: Interview with Jamie Bernthal, Author of Queering Agatha Christie
13 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We were so thrilled to have a special guest on the podcast for a fascinating interview about reading Agatha Christie in a way that may (or may not!) b...
All About Opera: The Face of Helen & Swan Song by Agatha Christie
06 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
It's another special double episode, this one focusing on the world of opera and Christie's personal love of music. In our first story we attend Coven...
Getting Happy with Parker Pyne: Have You Got Everything You Want? by Agatha Christie
30 Mar 2019
Contributed by Lukas
All aboard the... Orient Express?! That's right: heart specialist Parker Pyne is going abroad, and while we've already covered one of his travels in C...
And Then There Were 34: The Moving Finger by Agatha Christie
23 Mar 2019
Contributed by Lukas
It may surprise some listeners to learn how mixed we were on our third Miss Marple novel, given what fans we are (yes, even Catherine) of our dear spi...
The Name's Bond. James Bond. Just Not *That* James Bond: The Rajah's Emerald by Agatha Christie
10 Mar 2019
Contributed by Lukas
No, really: the protagonist of this story is "James Bond," who appears more than a quarter century before Ian Fleming's *slightly* more famous charact...
Manic Pixie Monster a.k.a. Never Go to the Second Location: The Golden Ball by Agatha Christie
01 Mar 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We have been here before, and we will almost certainly be here again. It's time for another kookily "romantic" story in which two young things banter ...
A Hercule Poirot Amuse-Bouche: The Double Clue & The Capture of Cerberus by Agatha Christie
24 Feb 2019
Contributed by Lukas
We've heard tell that two hearts are better than one, so we figured we'd take that approach to our exploration of a character within the Christieverse...
And Then There Were 35: Five Little Pigs by Agatha Christie
15 Feb 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Well, the last time we posted such a prolix episode it was to gush over what became our highest ranked novel, And Then There Were None. We will leave ...
Communing with Mr. Quin: The Voice in the Dark by Agatha Christie
09 Feb 2019
Contributed by Lukas
This Harley Quin story has, if not quite everything, then nearly so: a boating catastrophe in the distant past that is neither the Titanic nor the Lus...