All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Ro Khanna on Crime, Censorship & Congress: Fixing What’s Broken in America
02 Oct 2025
(0:00) Chamath and Jason welcome Rep. Ro Khanna! (1:10) H-1Bs and immigration (8:40) Giving Trump credit as a Progressive Democrat, why bipartisanship is broken, future Democratic leaders (15:08) Tech industry: Can Democrats win back tech?; Economic patriotism, protection vs proliferation of AI (24:25) Government shutdown, what actually happens? (30:25) Extreme rhetoric: Importance of dialing this down (36:29) Censorship and lawfare on both sides (40:32) Crime issues in major cities, why Democrats are losing on safety, common sense solutions (47:46) Mamdani's surge: is Zohran the future of the party? (51:15) Congressional stock trading ban Follow Ro Khanna: https://x.com/rokhanna Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Bro, how many times have you been on the pod now?
Chapter 2: What are the challenges and opportunities surrounding H-1B visas and immigration?
Is this number four for you? Three or four? No, this is my fifth time. Oh, wait. Sorry. I'm not Ro Khanna. Sorry.
Chapter 3: How do bipartisan relationships affect the political landscape?
Over to Ro Khanna. Sorry. We all look the same. You're Sri Lankan. He's Indian. I know the difference. We all look the same, bro.
Chapter 4: Can Democrats regain the tech industry's support amid economic patriotism?
We all look the same. It's just like you're saying to the Irish guys.
That's how I won my seat. I just had Indian Americans, every Indian American go knock on doors and say, I'm Ro Khanna. You know, they all thought the candidate came to every door.
Yeah. I think that was another epic discussion. People love the interviews. I could hear him talk for hours.
Chapter 5: What happens during a government shutdown and its implications?
Absolutely. We crushed your questions.
Admit it. We are giving people ground truth data to underwrite your own opinion. What do you guys think? That was fun.
Chapter 6: How can extreme political rhetoric be dialed down for better discourse?
That was great.
I will say one of my appearances, I think this is number four, but one of them was on election night. And it was with Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr. And I actually ran into him in the green room right before we were doing Squawk Box. And he brought up the Pod Save interview. So there you go, bringing the sides together.
Chapter 7: What role does censorship and lawfare play in today's politics?
It's been pretty amazing. I think it's a good place to start. How successful Indian Americans have become and a really important topic, I think, for us to kick off with maybe this time on your fourth appearance is immigration, H-1Bs. What's your take broadly on what we're seeing out of the Trump administration on maybe trying to correct the abuse in these systems and maybe
Chapter 8: What are the common sense solutions to crime in major cities?
monetize them? And maybe do you think that's a good strategy for correcting the abuse?
First of all, there's definitely abuse. Second, it definitely needs to be corrected. The reality is that some of the H-1B visa holders are being paid below market wages. Some of them are not going to super talented individuals or in the jobs that actually require a lot of skill. And
I had a bill, a bipartisan bill, actually, that would have reformed it, requiring paying a prevailing wage, requiring making sure that the categories actually were skilled categories. I don't love the blanket hundred thousand fee. I think that that's not the best way to reform it. But if Partly because it puts an unfair burden on startups. It actually may hurt with talent.
But if you wanted to say, look, there's going to be some prevailing wage standard and we need reforms, I'm open to that.
Do you think that the president is on the right direction then in actually trying to reform the system?
Yeah. I think in terms of reforming the system, he's in the right direction. I don't, you know, I don't agree with the specifics of the way he's doing it. Like many things, I think sometimes he identifies the right issue and he has a solution that I don't agree with. But the reality is that it has to be reformed. I mean, and anyone in Silicon Valley, I mean, you guys know this.
I mean, it's been abused. It's have people coming in.
It's been very difficult to find some of the best young minds to work at our startups, to your point, Roe, because it has been gamed and the people that have perfected the application process have won the H-1Bs. And I think that that's where these systems go off the rails because it should be, as you said,
the really talented young men and women that moved to the United States, supported by an American company trying to do something ambitious. It should not be because you know how to apply multiple times through multiple shell companies.
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