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The pope’s legacy, plus a second Signal chat with war plans

Mon, 21 Apr 2025

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Pope Francis, who attempted to modernize the Vatican, has died. He was 88 years old. We remember his legacy with Reuters correspondent Joshua  McElwee. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth reportedly discussed sensitive military plans with his wife, brother, and personal lawyer over the app Signal. The Wall Street Journal reports that it’s the latest news in what’s been a chaotic time at the Pentagon. The Supreme Court over the weekend issued a rare overnight ruling barring the Trump administration from deporting migrants in Texas under the Alien Enemies Act. NBC News reports it happened as busloads of deportees were headed to an airport for removal. Plus, Google’s latest antitrust case, Israel releases its review on the killing of 15 emergency responders in Gaza, and it’s been 50 years since the first wheelchair competitor completed the Boston Marathon.

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Chapter 1: Who was Pope Francis and what was his legacy?

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Good morning. It's Monday, April 21st. I'm Shamita Basu. This is Apple News Today. On today's show, how Defense Secretary Pete Hexeth sent war plans in a second signal chat, the Supreme Court issues a rare overnight ruling on deportations, and the world's oldest marathon, the Boston Marathon, is today. But first, Pope Francis has died. His death was announced early this morning by the Vatican.

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He was 88 years old. Francis, born Jorge Mario Bergoglio in Argentina, had been discharged from a hospital just last month where he was diagnosed with double pneumonia. He died after the holiest weekend in the year for Catholics. Just a day earlier, Pope Francis oversaw Easter mass services and blessed thousands of worshipers in St. Peter's Square.

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Francis had many firsts to his name, including being the first pope from the Americas, the first Jesuit pontiff, and the first non-European to lead the Catholic Church in close to 1,000 years. He was elected in 2013 and was seen as a fresh voice attempting to modernize the papacy.

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He said the Vatican needed to evolve from its strict orthodoxy on abortion, birth control, and homosexuality, and embrace being more merciful. Joshua McElwee is the Vatican correspondent for Reuters and spoke to us about Francis's legacy.

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Chapter 2: How did Pope Francis approach modernization and controversial issues in the Church?

93.976 - 109.548 Joshua McElwee (Vatican Correspondent for Reuters)

He had a style that was very gregarious, very outgoing, and was really known for wanting to open up the church to the modern world. Many people might remember that his first act as the Pope was to ask the people in Rome on his election in 2013 to pray for him and to bless him.

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109.568 - 119.916 Joshua McElwee (Vatican Correspondent for Reuters)

He's also the Pope known for opening up the church to being more welcoming to LGBTQ members, famously asking, when asked about a priest who was gay,

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Francis was often referred to as the people's pope, but his openness to modifying the church's teachings made him a controversial figure to many.

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128.7 - 149.776 Joshua McElwee (Vatican Correspondent for Reuters)

Pope Francis faced some pushback from cardinals who thought perhaps he was going too fast or perhaps had a more progressive view of the church. A few years ago, he allowed for priests to, on a case-by-case basis, offer blessings to people in same-sex unions. Obviously, the Catholic Church has a teaching that marriage is between a man and a woman, so that was controversial for some people.

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Francis tried to emphasize that it was about blessing the individual person and not necessarily the same-sex union.

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Two of the issues Francis was most outspoken about were climate change and the plight of immigrants.

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He acknowledged that climate change was real. He said the science was real. And he expressed concern about a world that was, in his words, becoming one of filth and ruin. He asked for the world's leaders to do more to stop climate change.

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He even took on President Trump.

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One of the last acts of his papacy, he wrote a letter to the U.S. bishops kind of rebuking some of President Trump's rhetoric and saying that migrants are not necessarily criminals. They are people who are seeking a better life, and the church has an obligation to help them and to not get drawn into political debates, but to be helpful to people who are in need.

Chapter 3: What were Pope Francis's key stances on climate change and immigration?

239.761 - 257.524 Joshua McElwee (Vatican Correspondent for Reuters)

For a large part of the Catholic population, I think people found Francis to be open. He also was someone who had a reputation for being humble. He had decided not to live in the apartment that the Pope normally lives in at the Vatican, which is part of a Renaissance palace. It's called the Apostolic Palace.

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258.024 - 276.157 Joshua McElwee (Vatican Correspondent for Reuters)

He had instead decided to live in a hotel at the Vatican, keeping just a couple of rooms, living a very simple life. And for many people in their lives, he might be seen as a figure who You know, they see every day or see every few days and might be thought of as a grandfather or an uncle. And watching him pass away has been a difficult process.

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The College of Cardinals will soon convene a papal conclave to elect Francis's successor. Let's turn now to new reporting, which found that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth shared sensitive military information using the Signal app in a second chat. Here's CNN's senior White House reporter Kevin Liptak speaking on the network last night.

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It appears that the information that Hegseth shared in this second Signal group is very similar to information that he shared in that first Signal group that we learned about about a month ago.

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That includes flight schedules for fighter jets attacking Houthi rebels. These were the same attack plans shared over Signal with other high-level cabinet leaders and, mistakenly, journalist Jeffrey Goldberg last month. This chat, however, did not include any other cabinet officials.

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The big difference here is who was included in each of these two groups. This new group that Hegseth formed that we are learning about this evening included individuals including his wife, his brother, and his personal attorney, people for whom it's not clear why they would need this information about these pending attack plans in Yemen.

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Hegseth's brother and lawyer both have jobs at the Pentagon, but it's not clear either have security clearance for this level of military information. Hegseth's wife, a former Fox News producer who's accompanied him on travels overseas, has been criticized for attending sensitive meetings with foreign leaders.

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A Defense Department spokesperson denied that Hegseth shared any classified information, and a White House press person downplayed the significance of the second group chat. The first Signal group chat we learned about was created by National Security Advisor Mike Waltz.

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This second group chat, again reportedly created by Hegseth, was formed before his confirmation and continued after his confirmation. The New York Times reports it was created at first for routine administration and scheduling. Here's Liptack again.

Chapter 4: What is known about Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's Signal chats involving war plans?

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And he criticized Hegseth for firing three officials for reportedly leaking sensitive information, a move that left the defense secretary's already dwindling leadership team short-staffed. Those three officials recently said they don't know what exactly they were being investigated for or if there was a real leak investigation to begin with.

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Former Pentagon Deputy Press Secretary Sabrina Singh went on MSNBC, saying the firing of those officials is unusual.

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478.319 - 498.796 Kevin Liptak

Nothing about this is normal. You don't see an immediate purge of your senior leadership that you have not only elected to be around you, but appointed yourself as a secretary of defense. What's ironic here is that the secretary of defense, the person who leads our men and women in uniform and our civilians, also put unauthorized classified information in.

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into a commercial texting app, and yet there have been no consequences for him. He has not been held responsible. So, you know, of course, different circumstances for different people, but nothing about this is normal.

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Meanwhile, in another case involving the alleged improper disclosure of sensitive government information, The Washington Post reports officials under President Trump and President Biden inadvertently shared sensitive documents, including potentially classified White House floor plans.

Chapter 5: Who was included in the second Signal group chat and why is it controversial?

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The information was sent via a Google Drive link to all employees of the General Services Administration, which provides administrative and tech support for the federal government and employs more than 11,000 people. This revelation spurred a cybersecurity incident report and investigation last week and was found to have continued over at least four years, spanning administrations.

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The White House did not immediately respond to the Post's request for comment on Sunday. One security expert told The Post the breach indicates, quote, a general need to strengthen safety training measures for government workers who must live and work in a digital age.

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Now to a major and rare ruling this weekend on President Trump's deportation and imprisonment policy for people the administration claims are Venezuelan gang members.

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Early Saturday morning, the Supreme Court ruled the Trump administration cannot deport a group of migrants being held in Texas under the Alien Enemies Act, an 18th century law that Trump invoked to remove certain immigrants without due process.

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It was a 7-2 ruling, with Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissenting, and Alito saying the rushed overnight ruling was neither, quote, necessary or appropriate. It comes less than two weeks after the Supreme Court said the administration does have the authority to invoke this law to speed up deportations, at least for now.

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In this case, the Trump administration attempted to load dozens of men from an immigration detention center in Anson, Texas, onto planes, presumably to be sent to El Salvador's harshest prison. The ACLU sued, and lawyers for the migrants say they were given paperwork to sign in English indicating that they were members of the Venezuelan gang Tren del Aragua.

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Some do not speak English, and according to the federal judge who heard their case, the paperwork didn't include an option for the men to indicate they wanted to go to court and challenge their removal. That would violate the spirit of a ruling from the Supreme Court earlier this month that said immigration detainees should be given reasonable time to appeal their deportations.

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A key hurdle for the ACLU and other attorneys representing the migrants is that they're having to file requests for emergency orders in courts all over the country within different jurisdictions. And according to the ACLU, in this case, the administration moved migrants from one jurisdiction where a judge had banned deportations to a different one where it wasn't banned.

Chapter 6: What are the implications of the Pentagon's internal chaos and leadership issues?

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MSNBC legal affairs correspondent Joyce Vance explained this is why the Supreme Court is being forced to take on so many last-minute requests.

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694.562 - 714.879 Joshua McElwee (Vatican Correspondent for Reuters)

In a way, the Supreme Court's chickens are coming home to roost here. They're having to deal with these midnight petitions because instead of a nationwide ban on these deportations, while they decide the extent of the Alien Enemies Act and whether the government can use it for these deportations, they're now having to do it in all 94 federal districts.

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In the meantime, there may be even more rulings in different places.

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Ultimately, the Supreme Court will have to decide the Alien Enemies Act issue for once and for all. But until then, we're going to see a variety of different procedural motions in different circuits, in different district courts. And it's something of a mess while people's lives and futures are at stake.

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As all of this was going on, busloads of what were reported to be migrants, mostly or all from Venezuela, were seen headed toward an airport in North Texas before being abruptly turned around. In response to the Supreme Court ruling, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt posted on X, quote, that the administration is confident it will prevail.

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Before we let you go, a few other stories we're following. Google is back in court today for the final phase of a major antitrust suit. The Justice Department has been making the case for years that Google is acting like a monopoly. And if the DOJ ultimately prevails, it could force Google to break up its businesses.

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Just last week, a judge ruled Google illegally monopolized some online advertising technology markets. Google has already said it plans to appeal, saying in a statement they disagree with the judge's decision and that publishers choose Google over its rivals because it has superior ad tech tools.

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Last week's decision marked the second time in a year a judge ruled that Google operates as an illegal monopoly. In international news, over the weekend, the Israeli military said that it had reviewed an incident last month during which Israeli forces killed 15 emergency responders in Gaza.

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Their review found several professional failures, and the military says a commander would be dismissed as a result. The incident took place on March 23rd, when 15 paramedics and other rescue workers were killed in three separate shootings in Rafah, which is in South Gaza. Their bodies were buried in a shallow grave and discovered a week later by officials from the U.N.

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