Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: How does Kristin feel about the romantic scenes in Sex and the City?
The finale of season three of Sex and the City. We're going to try to be less ADHD in this one. If possible. No promises. But it's a good time. It's a good time. All right. So this, to me, is in so many ways... It has the highs and the lows, right? Like, it has so many great things, and then it has this slightly insane and cringeworthy Samantha storyline, which we will get into specifically.
But it also has just incredible storyline, especially for Carrie and Miranda. Yes. I think. And the reason that I love it is so many different things, but... I mean, first of all, there's things I 100% did not remember, like this craziness that Carrie hears roosters crowing all night and all day, which is also odd. And it wasn't a sound machine. No. They were real. They were real.
And they were in a veterinary rescue. They were rescued roosters, she finds out, next door on the Upper East Side, which, okay, I've never heard of this. They got rescued from cockfighting. Right, which is a real thing that there are still cockfighting things going on, which is insane, right? But like, you know, I've never, I don't know of any rooster rescues in New York City.
Well, it sounds like there's a hole in the market. I mean, maybe there is. Here we go. I should go back and ask them, like, where'd you guys come up with this? Because usually they have to have... Did we ever even see... actual roosters in it? No, never. I didn't think so. She does go to the vet, right? Yes. And then she feels bad when she finds out that they've been rescued, right?
From the Bronx, I feel like she says. Yeah, the line producer probably said no on that one. Probably. Of seeing the real roosters. Probably. But then they said, we'll just stick them in the basement. Right. And she's like, no, no, no. She feels guilty that the poor roosters are going to have to go to the basement. But also she never hears anyone really tell her that it's roosters, not chickens.
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Chapter 3: What are the highlights of the 'Cock-a-Doodle-Do' episode?
Because then when she talks to Big on the phone, she's like, there's chickens and they're crowing. And he's like, roosters. She's like, whatever. She's going crazy. She is losing her mind a little bit, but it's adorable. And also, I think it was really hot that summer. That's what went through my head many times. Oh, and I didn't tell you my story about the roof.
This is the one thing that I remember the most vividly. I didn't even remember that awesome scene that Kyle and I did laying against the wall. I had no memory of it. Alan Coulter, the director, brought it up to me in his episode as something like he was bringing up the things that he fondly remembered as being like good moments that we did together.
And I was like, I don't I don't remember that at all. He said, I really loved it because at the time, he said we had tried to block it many different ways. And then finally, we were like, none of this works. Let's just lean against the wall. Like, let's just lean against the wall and just talk simply, you know, which I think really was powerful and worked. Honest. Yeah, it was great.
It was amazing. And I was so happy that it stood the test of time and was awesome. And I don't even remember, like, online we put Kyle and people are like, why did you even give up with that character trait? And I'm like, I don't know, because I forget the things, right? I vaguely remember the impotence, but I didn't remember that then we have sex once we separate. It's all very interesting. But
The roof. The roof. Back. This is the roof scene at the end of the episode. The roof scene at the end of the episode with the very, very much used photograph of us where they were like, laugh, everybody laugh. And so we're like, ah. It was so hot that the tar on the top of that rooftop was melted. And ruined all of our shoes. No. On the bottoms. Yes. And it was the end of the season.
So Sin and I had gotten an ice cream truck because we knew it was hot, right? To bring ice cream for the whole crew. But we were on the roof. It was like 30 floors up. The elevator broke, people. No. So we had to walk.
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Chapter 4: How do Carrie and Miranda's friendship dynamics evolve?
We had to get the boxes of the ice cream and walk them up all of these stairs. It was probably melted by the time you got up there. It was a little melted, but no one cared. No, they'll take whatever we could get. Everyone was just so happy to get anything cold in any way, even slightly cold. Up to the tippy top.
And the other thing that I saw recently, and it really, really just brought back so many memories for me because I do remember when I talk to people on the podcast, they're like, oh, you guys were the biggest hit right away. That was not our experience. Our experience was that we had to work hard and we had to do press. We would talk to anybody for years and years and years. Right.
Someone like E.T. maybe or E. came to the set that day, that sweltering over 100 degree day to talk to maybe all of us, but definitely Sarah Jessica about what is the show? People are still asking us, what is the show? Right. This is season three. And she gives the most adorable interview that is on Instagram. She just she's like, well, okay.
I play Carrie and I write a sex column for The Observer and I have girlfriends and they're in the show with me. And there's Charlotte and she believes in love and she's a little bit more like so by the book, like straight up. Do you know what I mean? And she tells the whole thing like just in one day, which if you ever see Sir Jessica now in an interview situation.
It's a much more complex situation going on. Do you know what I mean? Yes. She's really thoughtful. She's not giving anybody any easy answers. No. No. But back then, that's how important we felt like it was to sell the show. Yes. That people understand, like, we're not... There's a log line of this interview. Exactly. We're not real sex, you know, on HBO in the middle of the night.
This is what we are. It's adorable. And she's wearing that whole outfit. She's wearing her... It's like a diaper, kind of. It's a... But it's the cutest diaper you've ever seen in your entire life with like a halter. She can pull anything off. And it's like a creation of she and Pat. You were kind of giving like 13 going on 30 vibe. 100%, which I think is like similar years.
Yeah, and we're back in it, babe.
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Chapter 5: What lessons can we learn from Charlotte's character journey?
I know we are back in it. I also feel like Pat has got me in a short skirt, which is really against my, you know, what I want to be wearing. And you can tell by the fact that I literally don't get up off that thing. I like wriggle around a little bit. No improv for you. I'm like worried about my legs. I'm just really worried about my legs the whole scene.
That's all I can think of when I watch it. And I just remember like just the heat radiating up from that tar, you know, and everybody just sweltering and sweaty and trying to be jovial. And Carrie's got to get up and do her little turn. And she was all worried because she's wearing her nude fishnet, which was like a big thing at the time. We were all out trying to find the nude fishnet.
I haven't seen those yet. I don't think this year. I haven't either. Okay. Anyway, back to the episode. Back to the episode. So let's just do Charlotte because that's going to be the easiest, right? Okay, fair. So, yeah, it's Charlotte. We come to her at the coffee shop. That's the first time we see her. And she's sad about Trey.
And she's sad about that she's separated and that who wants to be divorced at 30, whatever she is at the time. And they're kind of trying to, oh, they come over to my apartment and unpack, which was weird. Because I guess we haven't gone through the whole thing where I end up getting his apartment. I hadn't remembered that at all. But there's a pink lamp that I still have in my own bedroom.
And there's a mirror that I had for many years that moved with Charlotte, you know, around that I got to keep. Okay.
you know which is nice yeah i love that pink lamp but i don't remember this at all and it's so sweet that the girls come to help me unpack and it's a very alan coulter scene because we're all moving in and out of frame and the but the frame doesn't really move and it was a really hard thing as an actor to remember like oh i've got to be to this place by this line you know what i'm saying but that was his specialty in a way so we always knew like you have to be like have your thinking cap on like have enough coffee on the day that alan coulter's there so that you can do the
Nailed the choreography. Exactly. Well, she's on Broadway. Here we go. I hope I can live up to that fantasy. Then, so I say, oh, I have this scene where I like walk to the doorway and say like, wouldn't it be great if men didn't exist? And then we wouldn't feel disappointed.
I mean, have you seen this thing about this article that this woman wrote about that people are embarrassed to post their boyfriends now? Yes. It's so great. It's kind of iconic. Right? But it's how wild that we got to that from where she was in that doorway.
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Chapter 6: What was the significance of the rooftop scene in the finale?
Right? Because like back then, you know, and this is someone who desperately wanted to get married. So bad. Right? But then who's obviously so disappointed... And every other character had almost said that in a different context before, but we never thought we'd see Charlotte say it. And Charlotte's like, it would just be so much better if there were no men.
Then we could just feel good about ourselves. And that's kind of what we're seeing in this interesting 2025 version of like, we can make our own living. We've got our great house. We've got our great friends. We've got our dogs. We're traveling, whatever it is. And if it's kind of creating boundaries and relationships in a way that like...
of being so clear about what it is you're looking for and what you want in someone else. And if they don't meet the mark, then... Why? Your character did that, I think, probably the clearest of being pretty specific. She was certainly very specific. I think her, the main lesson in Trey, which I didn't realize was as complicated as it is, right? And we're only partway through it by this episode.
But, you know, her issue was that she wanted the picture book, right? Like, you know how there's going to be that scene where he comes to take the picture with her, even though it's really over. She wanted the home and garden for town and country. Yeah, exactly. He understands how important that is for her, right? And that is something that's really important for her.
But that is an empty picture, you know? And so that's her lesson is that learning that your picture perfect doesn't make you happy, right? A thousand percent. And that's why then Harry, you know, shows up on the scene and does make her happy. Thank goodness, because that's what she really wanted and needed. But you have to be smart enough and know yourself well enough. Right.
She almost manifested too hard. I think for sure she was so focused. And I do think that when women focus, they focus, you know, 150%. Yes. And they do get what they want. It's just not necessarily, they don't want what's actually going to make them happy. Right. But they don't know this until they get it and find that out. Right. And that's what I loved about Charlotte. Yeah.
And that was the plan.
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Chapter 7: How do the characters handle their romantic relationships?
I mean, our writers, this was, they told me that was the plan. And I was like, okay. But then once Kyle came, I was like, but you guys. We love him. We can't let him go. But he played it so well. So brilliantly. So brilliantly. So brilliantly. He's so good in that scene when we lean on the backboard and I ask him, you know, whatever it is. It's like the lower part of the wall.
And I ask him, like, did you actually ever really want to marry me? And he says, well, I don't know that I really wanted to marry anyone. Does he say that? Something like that. He said, I just thought I should. It's nice to hear a man saying that. Yes. Interesting, right? Like the... And it's a different flip of your coin because you obviously were like, I should get married. I will get married.
And it should look exactly like this. So he almost you were guilty of a similar crime. Definitely. Which is so perfect. So perfect. Yeah. So perfect. And then he says very sweetly. And I say something like, well, why did you then? And he said, you know, because I felt like I had to. And society's telling me I have to.
But also, I didn't think I'd ever find anyone better than you or whatever, more perfect or something. Sad, though. Like he loved her. I know, but it's sad. But then we carry on next season. Oh, yep. So we'll see. I don't remember. I don't know what happens. Okay. Because not all the crazy sex hasn't happened yet. No.
Chapter 8: What reflections do the hosts share about the show's impact?
Oh, my God. I mean, just once. The one time. Right. But can I just say, I don't know if I should say this, but I mean, I could watch Kyle and I kissing all day long. Oh, it works. It's good, right? Let me tell you, chemistry's great. I mean, it was so, I think it was, as an audience member, we wanted, like, it was like a- Listen, I want it, and I was in it, and I want it. So refreshing. Right?
Yeah. I know. It's also how interesting that you've built this relationship up with this other actor, and you haven't done any of those sex scenes, whereas everybody else is meeting someone the first day, and then, so you're obviously so comfortable with Kyle at that point. Right. And then it's like you're finally doing what everybody else has been doing the entire season.
Which is a much weighted. It's very hard to just meet someone and have to jump in bed with them on the set. You know what I'm saying? It's very awkward. And so Kyle was probably one of the few that you got that to do that with. Oh, for sure. For sure. For sure. I mean, I have been making out with him for many, many months at this point. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
But also it was very tasteful the way we do, you know, this particular like he comes in the door and then it's craziness. But then we just fall out of frame, which is cute, I thought. And I think to land that next moment of the honesty of it so that it didn't feel camp. Definitely. No, I know. Alan Coulter did a great job directing that. Good director. I know he is a good director.
We always loved him. He was one of my absolute favorites, which is why I had him on the pod. All right. So that's Charlotte.
And yes, so he confesses that he says he hadn't felt the sex drive since before they got engaged, which is interesting because, you know, Charlotte was the one who was like, I'm going to make him wait because I think this could be the one, which I think is such a misguided thing. Of waiting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's misguided to wait a little bit, right?
Like, I don't think, I think that if you don't wait at all, it could, yes, tell us. Oh my God, the rules. Did you ever read the rules? Oh my God, did I ever read the rules? I had a whole last year situation. Last year? Well, I went, I was a bridesmaid. I know. I know. I know. I love it so much. Please keep telling me. I was a bridesmaid in my god sister's wedding. Okay.
And it was, you know, me, this trans girl living in LA and then the most wholesome sort of, you know, couples that had gotten married early 20s. Right. Wow. And all were on a boat for her bachelorette in there. And I'm telling them I'm the only single one, you know, and they're all married off and everything.
most beautiful blondes you've ever seen and they go you need to read the rules we've all got our husbands because of the rules oh jesus christ and i'm going well i think i amazon it to the boat i think i got a dinghy for 5.99 extra but i mean and then it became my bible because i said well if it worked for them in colorado it's gonna work for me a trans girl in the spotlight in la oh Oh, no.
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