Jude Law (The Order, Skeleton Crew, Sherlock Holmes) is an actor. Jude joins the Armchair Expert to discuss why he feels like he cries more than he used to, how he has become an unapologetic enthusiast, and having to tap into different parts of your personality for different roles. Jude and Dax talk about him finding his confidence when he joined theater, what it’s like to work with great directors, and how important Mike Nichols was to him. Jude explains the chemistry with RDJ on set of Sherlock Holmes, what having a behavioral psychologist for a wife is like, and how traumatic it was to have his phone hacked. Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What does Jude Law feel about crying more often?
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I'm a little fatigued and a little frazzly, kind of jet laggy, slightly over-emotional. Oh, God.
Oh, we love that. That's great for us.
Over-emotional. You got me right at the right time. Over-emotional is the perfect. That's our sweet spot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 2: How did Jude Law find his confidence in acting?
Okay, now back to your crying. Do you have a couple? I'll just start. So I have two that are going to guarantee set me off. One is when people are incredibly earnest in the face of how hard it is to be earnest. The Olympians were flying to the Olympics, some team, and they decided to reenact the video for call me crazy, but here's my number. So call me baby.
And they had choreographed it on the plane and the camera's moving. Everyone jumps out of their seat and they're singing.
It's just a group dance. Yes, group dancing.
Group dancing, this wedding proposal that was very much like that. I'm like, you know, there's so many assholes in the world that want to fucking beat you down for expressing that exact kind of thing. And when I see people be brave enough to just do it anyways, I start crying. I'm like, that is so sweet that in this mean ass world, you still sing Call Me Crazy.
Yeah, yeah. And there's an unapologetic joy and innocence, actually. It's people just going, I'm having fun. Not the sort of cynical, yeah, but am I cool? I get that. Absolutely.
A, how well do you understand American schools and how much were the English schools like it? My junior high, you just got fucking beat down if you showed any earnestness or you declared you liked something. Oh, same in the UK.
Okay. I thought that was a very British thing. Enthusiasm, no way. Yes. I mean, to be passionate and kind of get it all over excited and people then be looking at you going, calm down.
You were emasculated by liking something.
That's right. That's very familiar to my experience of growing up, actually, because I am an enthusiast. I've realized, and unapologetically so, the older I get, I love allowing my enthusiasm to burst forth and sharing it. And I love seeing it in my kids. You know, I love it when they get overexcited about stuff. But it is interesting looking back over childhood.
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Chapter 3: What was it like for Jude Law working with Mike Nichols?
And she's not abusing it either.
Yeah.
We're just in the foothills of this.
That's true, that's true. There'll be a hot pool boy at some point.
Do you reckon it's linked also to something you just mentioned, which is the Olympic team performing in an unabashed way? There's also something uncool, weirdly, because of course she's ultimately cool, but there's also something uncool about her. I couldn't agree more. Which makes her incredibly cool. It's like, I'm having fun and I'm doing what I want to do.
It's not considered to the element of like, is this going to be seen as being overly considered?
I think it's just very different than the other pop stars they were given, which are largely you either hit the genetic lottery or you didn't. I think that's very special. Yeah. What thing are your kids into that you've joined them in and kind of got wrapped up in? Because for me, it's this Swift thing. Like, I went, I get it, I'm in. Well, my two little ones, Bluey. Bluey. I'm hearing that.
I weep at Bluey. I love Bluey.
You do.
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Chapter 4: What does Jude Law think about the character he plays in The Order?
That's me. Okay, so if England is like the U.S. in smacking down earnestness, you start acting at 14? Kind of. Because people ask me, like, did you know? I'm like, I stayed so far away from that drama department. I didn't want to get beat up by six guys.
I was doing it out of school. It was more to do with my family. So my parents were teachers, but they were keen members of a local theater company. They were putting on plays and my house was always full of people kind of rehearsing. And then I got involved as a kid and my sister got involved as a kid. And it was just something we did.
So to me, it was this language that just felt very familiar and safe and fun. And I loved watching adults goofing around. And you were aware, oh, adults play as well. They can be silly and it made them really human and magical in a weird way because it felt like play.
I said magical, I suppose, in that sort of Peter Pan type way that it just felt like, oh, you don't have to necessarily grow up with earnestness or with some kind of sobriety. It could be goofy. But I left school at 17 to act. So at school, school, I kept to myself. I was usually hiding under the stairs so I didn't get beat up. For real? Oh, yeah, for real. That's where I had my lunch.
Okay, hold on a second. Were you, we've had this in the past.
You had one or two of you.
The way you said that was like, it's okay, you're safe, kid. I feel like the appetizer just arrived and it smells delicious. We've had some heartthrobs on that didn't necessarily identify with that when they were younger. And that's a very fascinating thing.
I get it. I look back now. I was very pretty. I was called Jude. I wanted to be an actor. And I was also pretty cocky. I fancied myself a bit, but you can't fight the whole school. So after a while you realize it's probably better to stay out of the way, especially when you're like 14 and the 18 year olds kind of just want you to shut the fuck up.
Also, when I was young and older girls like me, those older boys wanted to fuck Kill me. Older girls fancying this weird little kid. They don't get that. What's funny is what they like about you is that you're kind of artsy. So the solution to the other boys their age is like, I'm going to beat the shit out of them. Show the opposite quality that she just told me she likes. That's right.
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Chapter 5: How does Jude Law feel about his collaboration with Robert Downey Jr.?
Yeah.
I knew I was good and that I was getting good parts and I was getting good response, but I wasn't in the professional domain. Once I'd stepped into that and there were adults suddenly in this show and there were people who had huge experience, I was always quick to sit back and be very happy to learn and watch.
Having said that, I have a very clear memory of one of the women in it who was slightly older than me, just by a few years, but I remember telling me to cool my boots. Oh, wow. But she was probably just nagging you because she liked you.
Yeah, probably. That's my guess in retrospect.
I think she was probably right.
What if it was like Cate Blanchett? You'd just go, yes, Cate, sorry.
Well, you basically just described, you were like a star college athlete. And then you got to the NBA and you're like, I need to recalculate just a bit. I'm going to have to learn a bit.
It's interesting too, isn't it, when you're a kid in an adult world, but you're being paid. So you're being treated like an adult, as you should be. I've got to really step up here. Behave like an adult, fit in like an adult, watch and learn. Yeah, they're not taking it easy on anyone. Not with that kind of schedule. They don't have time. No, even if they wanted to be. I remember being late once.
I think it's like the only time I've ever been late because I could just tell it was not done. And that's never happened again.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of Jude Law's wife being a behavioral psychologist?
On the inside.
On the inside of my eyelids.
There's a connection between that character and a little bit of what we're talking about, or have been, isn't there? The guy breaking the mold, the guy who could end up on one path and actually needs to rewire and he makes his own path.
Also, my conclusion, I have a theory on everything, as you'll learn. That was one of my favorite movies as well. It was my girlfriend of nine years and I's first date was going to see that movie. So it was also special for that reason. But I left and I was like, why is that movie so powerful? I think it's because we all think we're special and we're just waiting for someone to notice.
And he was just so special and no one would notice. And he's a janitor. And then finally, and I think there was some wish fulfillment there. in that movie that was really sweet, which is like, I'm special too. This could happen to me in some version.
I have a genius too.
And even if it's not intellectual, it's just I'm worthy of someone finally acknowledging I'm special.
We all want that.
We do.
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Chapter 7: What was the impact of phone hacking on Jude Law's life?
And you're right, completely opposite. Matt almost played it like... Please don't make me kill you. Oh, I'm so sorry. He apologized, smiling while he's doing it. Like, oh, I'm in this jam again. And I guess I was just going to have to kill you. It was kind of loose and creepy.
Even darker. It actually made it more believable. You would have been sucked into his whole thing from the get go. So does that opportunity come directly off the heels of that play?
I know you were in Gattaca. Gattaca was a big turning point. I was really only doing theatre and film just wasn't on my radar. I didn't really know how one got into film. And I loved theatre and I was happy in theatre, so it didn't feel like it was something I was seeking out. But a couple of little films came my way in the UK.
That led to Gattaca, which took me to Hollywood for the first time, coming and living here and making a film and rehearsing and shooting at the studios. Did you get on with Ethan? Oh, so well. I mean, Ethan was another great teacher in a way. Generous and a great leader and enthusiastic and smart.
Talk about a guy who is chasing everything and critics be damned. I like poetry. I like music.
written two books and just a great inspiration to be around for me at that early formative time and then i did a few of these little movies you're also in night of the oh yeah clint eastwood midnight in the garden of good and evil yeah yeah she became weirdly um yeah it did it did i know you're playing a gay lover of kevin spacey yeah that's kind of weird Moving on. Next project.
Ripley came about.
Chugging along.
There's no way of moving on from that.
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Chapter 8: How does Jude Law view the current state of white nationalism?
Give me one more round. My wife will say like, God, I should have done a lot of nudity before. So you get past the point where you're trying to fight. You don't want me to get naked. I don't want to get naked. And then you can say, fuck man, I blew it. I looked hot as shit. I should have been naked in everything I did. Okay.
So the one I want to talk to you about, because I read the biography and I don't know if you have, but the Mike Nichols biography. Oh yeah. I read it. Isn't it wonderful? What a book. And I don't really read many Hollywood books, but enough people told me.
You know, I had to read that because I wanted him in the room one more time. He was the most beautiful man. I remember before I worked with him, Ant actually knew him and said, you wait, you are going to hear the best stories. You are going to laugh more than you thought possible. And he was absolutely right. This guy's warmth and humor and perspective on the world. And then add to that this depth.
boundlessly generous intellect. You know, really smart people that make you feel smart rather than make you feel stupid. They kind of bring you into their perspective and share it. And then all these crazy stories. I mean, also so naughty. Like so much bad behavior. The guy was a functioning crack addict while directing.
Oh, fantastic. Addicted to Hallucine and losing all of his finance. I mean, he was on a wild fucking ride. He touched every cornerstone.
He did it all. And would talk openly. The rehearsal process for Closer was mostly him. And I realize now what genius it was. He was just... talking about his experiences and making us all like hoot with laughter about his loves and losses and tragedies.
And what he was doing was creating an environment that was totally safe and free, where when we then reenacted this pretty hardcore drama about falling in love and splitting up, We were safe. Oh my God, we laughed so much. And another thing he did after we shot the film, a couple of years later, we'd stayed in touch and I'd seen him a few times.
And I was in a bit of a dark spot in my personal life, a little bit down. And I felt like work had gone a little awry. And I just felt like I was in a blip. I remember he reached out to me and took me out for this incredible lunch. It's like he just fucking knew. It gave me this incredible, generous perspective on life and the pendulum nature of life. It swings here and then it swings back there.
And you just know it's going to swing back the next way. Just hold on. And it was beautiful and very warm and much, much needed.
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