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Dana Loesch: Insane Texas Law Threatens To JAIL Political Meme Posters & Criminalize Parody (Up To A YEAR In Jail) w/ David Zweig – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 482

Sun, 11 May 2025

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Texas House Of Representatives passed House Bill 366, which would criminalize certain types of political memes and threatens violators with “up to one year in jail and a $4,000 fine.” Proponents say its intention is to stop the spread of fake, AI-generated graphics that could influence elections, especially as AI models continue to produce more and more realistic images. But First Amendment experts warn that HB 366 is so broad, it could be used to prosecute satire and parody writers. Dana Loesch hosts the nationally-syndicated radio program The Dana Show from Dallas, Texas. She authored three books: Hands Off My Gun, Flyover Nation, and Grace Canceled. A Second Amendment advocate, she represented gun owners on CNN’s town hall on gun control post-Parkland, adding nearly a million members to the NRA during her association. More at https://x.com/DLoesch and https://danaloesch.com David Zweig authored “An Abundance of Caution: American Schools, the Virus, and a Story of Bad Decisions” and testified twice before Congress about the disastrous effects of pandemic lockdowns on schools and education. His reporting on the CDC’s camp guidelines led to the agency rescinding outdoor mask requirements for kids. He also wrote Swimming Inside the Sun and Invisibles. More at https://x.com/davidzweig and https://davidzweig.com 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/sponsors⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠ • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/skinrepair⁠⁠ • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/fatty15⁠⁠ • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at ⁠⁠https://drdrew.com/paleovalley⁠⁠ • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at ⁠⁠https://twc.health/drew⁠⁠ 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (⁠⁠https://kalebnation.com⁠⁠) and Susan Pinsky (⁠⁠https://twitter.com/firstladyoflov⁠⁠⁠⁠e⁠⁠). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: What controversial Texas bill is being discussed?

3.396 - 25.423 Drew

Well, we're going to hear from Dana Lash today about the United Kingdom of Texas. Texas has some insane laws threatening to jail political memes, posters, and criminalized parody up to a year in jail. I thought that was something limited to England. I didn't realize we were going to jump on board with that. And of all the places, Texas... Well, Dana is in Texas, and she will tell us about it.

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Chapter 2: Who are the guest speakers on this episode?

25.983 - 45.867 Drew

She hosts, of course, the Dana Show from Dallas, and she's authored three books, Hands Off My Gun, Fly Over Nation, and Grace Canceled. Second Amendment Advocate, we'll talk to her in just a few minutes. And David Zweig comes in, author of An Abundance of Caution, American Schools, the Virus, and a Story of Bad Decisions. God knows there was a ton of them.

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45.927 - 65.238 Drew

We'll get into that with David and Dana right after this. Our laws, as it pertains to substances, are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for f***'s sake. Where the hell do you think I learned that?

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66.403 - 83.117 Drew

I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop, and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

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189.122 - 195.866 Drew

On XDLash, on Substack, it is danalash and danalash.com. Dana, welcome to the program.

196.823 - 198.664 Dana Loesch

Thank you, Dr. Drew, for having me. Good to be here.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of Texas House Bill 366?

199.524 - 208.268 Drew

So congratulations for simplifying a name rather than complicating things further. Taking it from six letters down to four. Well done.

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208.288 - 210.329 Dana Loesch

There you go.

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210.469 - 225.195 Drew

I appreciate that. So what is going on in the Texas House of Representatives? Has somebody just hoodwinked the group? Is it an insanity that has gripped the Great Britain, now gripped Texas?

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226.658 - 235.765 Dana Loesch

It's one of the craziest things. One of the weirdest proposals that I've seen from the Texas House in quite some time. So let me lay the groundwork here for your viewers.

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235.805 - 236.905 Drew

Please, lay it out.

237.746 - 246.852 Dana Loesch

So Texas, you know, it's Texas. It's, you know, I mean, we're like cowboy land, right? I mean, the Dallas Cowboys, you know, you got the Houston Oilers. You're, you know, the West is here.

247.033 - 248.173 Drew

You said it all with that.

248.334 - 269.628 Dana Loesch

It's Texas. Exactly. So you think, I moved here 13 years ago from Missouri. And I was very excited because I thought, my gosh, gonna be a lot of like minded people who are gonna leave me alone, it'll be great. There's a lot of Republican lawmakers I lean towards, I always vote most conservative, I vote Republican usually. And I was very excited about the prospect of having a decent legislature and

270.588 - 285.373 Dana Loesch

It was like a bait and switch. I get down here and I realize a lot of Republicans are really just Democrats who couldn't get elected in their districts running as Democrats. So they switched party affiliation, raised enough money. They had the name recognition, the contacts, the backing, and they were able to get elected as Republicans.

Chapter 4: How does political maneuvering affect legislation in Texas?

403.749 - 421.778 Dana Loesch

I think yes and no. So the town that I live in in Texas, our county, and it's the largest, the last large red urban county in the United States. And there has been a major influx of Californians coming in here, which has somewhat altered the voting electorate a little bit.

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421.798 - 444.55 Dana Loesch

So when Beto O'Rourke ran, he actually got almost 2,600 more votes than Ted Cruz running against him in his last Senate race that he ran. And so it's a real it's a battleground. And it's it's it's the most was the most conservative county in Texas, one of the most conservative districts in Texas. So it has changed it somewhat. But some of these outlying rural areas are still pretty hardcore red.

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444.77 - 450.013 Dana Loesch

When you get around Austin and Houston and Dallas County itself, it gets it gets pretty murky.

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452.389 - 476.076 Drew

So what are Texans going to do about this? I mean, it really is sort of extraordinary. When I hear about what's going on in Great Britain, I don't know if you saw Winston Marshall in the press pool yesterday or the day before asking Carolyn Leavitt if the Security Council would consider taking refugees from Great Britain who are fleeing the incredible violations of free speech.

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476.376 - 489.259 Drew

And she said she'd look into it. I'm dying to hear what the feedback is. But it has gotten to the point where, I mean, no hyperbole. I think the U.S. government is going to contemplate asylum seeking to run away from exactly what Texas is doing.

489.279 - 510.126 Dana Loesch

Yeah, exactly. I mean, and in Texas, you know, one of the most conservative states in the union. I wouldn't doubt it. I thought that question was quite interesting. But in terms of what voters can do, I mean, obviously the easy answer is voters have to elect more people. constitutionally minded lawmakers into office.

510.186 - 526.586 Dana Loesch

But it gets very difficult when you start talking about money and influence because a lot of these lawmakers are so entrenched and they have a lot of favors that they can call in. So like Dade Phelan, for instance, he has a huge war chest. If he doesn't spend it all in one campaign, what he does is he basically pays off these other lawmakers to have his back.

527.126 - 532.49 Dana Loesch

They get these Democrats elected to these or installed in these different committees, which is unthinkable.

532.61 - 549.002 Dana Loesch

I mean, if you have a Republican, not a super majority, but almost a super majority dominated state legislature, why are you allowing statists who want to jack up your taxes to an ungodly amount, who want to prevent you from having, you know, constitutional freedoms or age appropriate materials in your kid's school?

Chapter 5: What role does media play in political narratives?

669.393 - 678.221 Dana Loesch

It's about destroying your ideological opponent, not even persuasion, which I think is the biggest win that you could have. They wanted a lesser win, which was destruction. Persuasion takes too much.

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680.134 - 697.924 Drew

Well, it is a psychopathology that's getting acted out all over the place and sort of all roads lead to narcissism and narcissistic rage, doesn't it? And so you're not going to find any satisfaction in coming together with people that are finding a common ground. That's not the feeling that they're responding to.

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698.823 - 723.717 Drew

Last time I saw Norm MacDonald, I was with him in a green room in the Ice House Comedy Club in Pasadena, and I watched him go right out on the stage, and he goes, hey, you know, I'm sorry. I love Bill Cosby. I love everything about him. I model my life out of Bill Cosby. I love everything about him except his comedy. Anyway, so I just thought, oh, my God, he's so funny. He's great.

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727.919 - 747.175 Dana Loesch

Last question that he asked me was about gold prices. Really? He's asking me about price of gold. What do you think about that? It was weird little questions, but he was, he was a really nice guy. And I had told him, I said, I got inspired to write this video. Like you, you know, kind of kickstarted that whole line of thinking. And, you know, it was true.

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747.275 - 755.442 Dana Loesch

And he talked about that a little bit later on, you know, before he passed away. But yeah, that's where that book idea came from. And I just, he was, he was a great example of that.

758.001 - 785.505 Drew

Yeah, he will be missed. So how do you assess, speaking of the federal government, let's talk about the sexier, bigger version of our government that was meant to be not so big. How do you feel about what has gone on with the attempts to reduce expense? It seems like, yeah, it seems like Elon has been in there hard at work and yet what's happening?

787.239 - 803.422 Dana Loesch

I love the idea of having a very flashy auditor. And that's what Doge is. I mean, it's a glorified auditor. And I love it. And I love how flashy they are about it because it's like, let's make cutting spending look cool. And I love the fact that it's a bunch of dorks. And I don't say that as a pejorative. I mean, I really respect these people.

803.442 - 821.832 Dana Loesch

There are a bunch of nerds that are going in there with, you know, read-only access all under NDAs. And they're seeing a lot of the obvious waste and fraud and then some stuff that people haven't been tracking. My concern is that People are going to turn on them and him if there's not a lot of movement in Congress.

821.952 - 838.39 Dana Loesch

None of this stuff matters if Republicans don't get it together in the House and codify this. They gotta make tax cuts permanent. They gotta pass these USAID cuts. They have to do all of this stuff. And they're too busy fighting amongst themselves. And I get it. they got a razor thin majority. But that's not an excuse.

Chapter 6: What are the challenges faced by federal lawmakers?

1116.632 - 1127.155 Dana Loesch

So all of the stuff with, I mean, as uncomfortable it is for some people to acknowledge, you know, education, all of these other things that are not included in there, if it's not kicked back, we don't need it. Yeah.

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1128.188 - 1150.578 Drew

Right. So I'm sure you saw the White House correspondents dinner where they were congratulating themselves and they gave an award to an author who wrote a journalist who wrote an article about a book about Biden's decline and the Democrats that were hiding that from them and how they just missed it and how it was impossible for them to see it.

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1150.598 - 1169.213 Drew

I don't know about you, but I was reporting on his Parkinsonism for three years before his presidency ended. And in terms of his cognitive decline, that poor guy, I don't know if his cognitive decline was from the medication he was getting for his Parkinson's or part of his Parkinsonian syndrome or a separate dementia, or something else more serious medically going on.

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1169.513 - 1188.121 Drew

Could be any of those things because we get none of that information. But to say that we couldn't see objectively... The changes. Who are you going to believe? You or your lying eyes. You couldn't obviously see the changes. Look, I can look at a rash and say there's a rash. And I can look at somebody who has Parkinsonism and say that's Parkinsonism.

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1188.461 - 1200.984 Drew

And that was there years before people started admitting what was going on here. But they claim that they didn't miss anything. You know, we have Todd. What's the guy from Meet the Press, Todd? You can help me with this.

1201.704 - 1202.484 Dana Loesch

Oh, Chuck Todd, yeah.

1203.68 - 1229.763 Drew

Chuck Todd, yeah. Todd's saying, oh, I refuse. This is a plot. This is a talking point. It's a narrative. No, shut the F up. This is a... This is... We're just... And by the way, not only did you have motivated reasoning and bias and probably... Certain numbers of them lied, I'm sure, because it was so obvious what was going on. You attacked people who said something that you didn't like.

1230.203 - 1255.15 Drew

When I talked about Parkinsonism, you attacked it. I mean, I was on a Greg Gutfeld show for two years doing... medical parodies with Tom Shalhoub, where he played this elderly, decrepit, demented old man. And we talked about doing demented status exams on him and neurologic exam. And it looked like, you know, we made it look like what the president would, how he would perform in those things.

1255.45 - 1265.192 Drew

That was years before people started talking about it. So what do we do with these so-called journalists that don't seem to be able to do any self-assessment or course correction?

Chapter 7: How did the COVID-19 pandemic impact American schools?

1937.528 - 1944.592 Dana Loesch

Everywhere. Channel 347, DirecTV. You can find us on X and Rumble and Facebook and YouTube and all that good stuff.

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1946.353 - 1949.675 Drew

Appreciate you joining me. I hope we'll have you again. Hope to meet you in person one day.

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1949.695 - 1955.459 Dana Loesch

Yes, would love it. Thank you, Dr. Drew. It's a real pleasure. I've watched you for so long. Love line back in the day.

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1957.295 - 1961.525 Drew

Been doing it for so long. That sort of summarizes it. But yes, thank you for that.

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1961.545 - 1964.212 Dana Loesch

I appreciate it. I think you're a vampire, but that's okay. Oh, God bless you.

1967.884 - 1978.911 Drew

Thank you so much. You can follow Dana on X D Lash L O E S C H. Watch the spelling. Uh, Dana Lash or L O S. No Botox either. C H me. No.

1980.072 - 1980.673 Susan Pinsky

It's all natural.

1981.093 - 2008.588 Drew

Uh, sub stack, Dana Lash, Lash, uh, Dana Lash.com. Dana L O E S C H. David Dwight comes in in just a second. The book, I'm going to give you the name of it. Hold on here. Screwed up. Here it is. An abundance of caution, which is words that shall ring in my head forever. Let's call it abundance of caution was the opposite of risk reward considerations, which is what clinical medicine always is.

2009.129 - 2032.414 Drew

Abundance of caution. I've never uttered those words talking to a medical student or a resident. It's always, what's your reasoning? And then why did you make that decision? What was the risk reward? And if it doesn't come down clearly on the side of reward, then you shouldn't have made that decision. There's no abundance of a caution. American schools, the virus, and the story of bad decisions.

Chapter 8: What concerns exist around government surveillance and free speech?

2704.023 - 2713.771 David Zweig

I'm trying to make things clear to the American public. This book is almost like a case study of the failure of the expert class.

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2716.213 - 2737.058 Drew

So what do you imagine was happening there? I have another memory now where I... was interviewing, I think it was either a school board, probably a school board or maybe a teacher's union member. She was like the secretary of one of these organizations. And she was like, well, we need, this was a year into lockdown or nine months into lockdown.

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2737.078 - 2754.954 Drew

And we were discussing opening and she was like, well, we need gloves and we need plexiglass and we need this. I said, all right, let's do it. How long is it going to take? How many weeks do we need to put that all in place? Let's do it. She goes, what, what, huh? I go, yeah, let's go. I assume you're right. Let's say you're right. Let's do it. How much is it going to cost?

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2754.974 - 2776.87 Drew

How long is it going to take? She accused me of sexism and racism. Yeah, that sounds about right. That's about right, right? Yeah. And so what happened? What do you imagine? Let's take account of your peers. What happened there? What's going on? How do we understand what that was? And why can't they come to terms with it now? And they better, by the way.

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2778.038 - 2789.181 David Zweig

Yeah, don't hold your breath on that, unfortunately. I mean, look, people are generally not inclined to admit when they were wrong. You know, what I- David, I'm gonna stop you.

2789.261 - 2807.431 Drew

I wanna stop you. Wait, wait. I am delighted to admit when I'm wrong. You're unusual. It means I've learned something. And I will happily apologize where I got it wrong. You're not an attorney either. I'll happily do that, really. And I do it, like I apologize to you, I will take every chance I get to apologize, at least as an example to how that works. You can't apologize.

2807.771 - 2826.717 Drew

I'm going to talk to Jenny McCarthy in a couple weeks. I want to apologize to her. I apologize to, oh my gosh, I'm blanking on her friend's name. No, I'm Naomi Wolf because I said something really dismissive about something she was making and she was right. I was like, that's pathetic. I'm apologizing. Disgusting how I was. That's not okay. And I won't do it again.

2827.489 - 2845.236 David Zweig

Well, you're obviously the exception, not the rule. Most people, and perhaps particularly so in media, corrections on things are not always forthcoming. One of the things that I think you'll find interesting is that, and that hopefully your audience will, is that

2845.916 - 2872.332 David Zweig

In the book, one of the things I try to show is that a lot of the way the media covered the pandemic, and in particular children in schools in America, it's not necessarily that there were factual errors, although there were plenty of those, but rather what I try to show is how it's really through framing. It's the information that's left out And it's the particular kind of the same pundits.

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