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Marine Le Pen: Predicted Winner BANNED From French Presidential Election By Court Order w/ Former MEP Jerome Riviere – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 472

Sat, 05 Apr 2025

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Marine Le Pen is the frontrunner for France’s presidential elections – but after a judge sentenced her to a 5-year ban from politics, she may be barred from running at all. If a judge can bar a leading candidate from running, is their country really a democracy? On Monday, a French court sentenced Marine Le Pen to a 5-year political ban, finding her guilty of embezzling EU funds for her National Rally party. The immediate ban, upheld during appeals, will reportedly block her from the 2027 presidential race. Le Pen called the ruling ‘authoritarian’ and claimed it violates the rule of law, and has vowed to fight the ruling. According to CNN, “The court’s presiding judge, Bénédicte de Perthuis, said Le Pen’s actions amounted to a “serious and lasting attack on the rules of democratic life in Europe, but especially in France.”” Jerome Riviere is a French politician, lawyer, and entrepreneur. He served as a Member of the French Parliament for Alpes-Maritimes from 2002 to 2007 and later joined the National Rally, becoming a Member of the European Parliament in 2019. He led the French delegation of the Identity and Democracy group until 2022, when he supported Éric Zemmour’s Reconquête party as Vice-President, leaving in 2023. More at https://x.com/jerome_riviere Justin Gardner is the Founder and Chief Marketing Officer of Active Skin Repair. With over 20 years in health and wellness, he has introduced over fifty innovative products to medical settings. His focus on Hypochlorous Acid led to Active Skin Repair, offering science-backed skin healing solutions. More at https://drdrew.com/skinrepair 「 SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS 」 Find out more about the brands that make this show possible and get special discounts on Dr. Drew's favorite products at https://drdrew.com/sponsors  • ACTIVE SKIN REPAIR - Repair skin faster with more of the molecule your body creates naturally! Hypochlorous (HOCl) is produced by white blood cells to support healing – and no sting. Get 20% off at https://drdrew.com/skinrepair • FATTY15 – The future of essential fatty acids is here! Strengthen your cells against age-related breakdown with Fatty15. Get 15% off a 90-day Starter Kit Subscription at https://drdrew.com/fatty15 • PALEOVALLEY - "Paleovalley has a wide variety of extraordinary products that are both healthful and delicious,” says Dr. Drew. "I am a huge fan of this brand and know you'll love it too!” Get 15% off your first order at https://drdrew.com/paleovalley • THE WELLNESS COMPANY - Counteract harmful spike proteins with TWC's Signature Series Spike Support Formula containing nattokinase and selenium. Learn more about TWC's supplements at https://twc.health/drew 「 MEDICAL NOTE 」 Portions of this program may examine countervailing views on important medical issues. Always consult your physician before making any decisions about your health. 「 ABOUT THE SHOW 」 Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Kaleb Nation (https://kalebnation.com) and Susan Pinsky (https://twitter.com/firstladyoflove). This show is for entertainment and/or informational purposes only, and is not a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Chapter 1: Who is Jerome Riviere and what is his political background?

2.21 - 24.1 Drew

I have a lot to discuss today. The last half of the hour, we'll be talking to Justin Gardner, the founder and chief marketing officer of Active Skin Repair. We'll tell you more about that then. But first is Jerome Riviere. He's a French politician, lawyer, entrepreneur. He was a member of parliament. 2002 to 2007, he joined the national rally, became a member of the European parliament in 2019.

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24.64 - 49.49 Drew

Led the French delegation of the Identity and Democracy Group until 2022. So he is going to give us a report about what's going on in France, both from the standpoint of how the European Union and France in particular is reacting to the tariff shocks and the other shock to the French system. Marine Le Pen, the leading candidate for presidency, has been subject to lawfare.

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50.677 - 73.415 Drew

I heard them coin the term judicial dictatorship in France. And she is barred from even running for five years. And tell us about that and more. There it is. It's an earthquake. I tell you it is a political earthquake. And people aren't paying attention to it here. It's a big deal. Be right back. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. The psychopath started this.

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73.455 - 92.881 Drew

He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for five months. Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people. I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time.

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195.076 - 215.598 Drew

And as I said, Jerome Revere will be here in just a second. Hey, Caleb, before I move on here, I want to just fix my collar for one thing. But the other thing is I'm wondering if we can tell people where to get the long-form interviews of what we did at the White House with the cabinet-level officials. I don't think people have seen the Linda McMahon interview.

Chapter 2: What is the current political situation of Marine Le Pen in France?

221.103 - 224.986 Caleb Nation

All on Rumble. Rumble.com slash Dr. Drew. All the interviews are up there in full.

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226.067 - 230.451 Drew

Full-form, long-form. And then you put up pieces on social media as well?

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230.936 - 239.16 Caleb Nation

Yep, all the clips. They can find clips on your Instagram. They can find it on Facebook, YouTube, Rumble, even TikTok. There's a few clips there, but of course, suppressed.

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240.88 - 246.743 Drew

That's great. I think... Really? Of course. How could it be otherwise?

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247.003 - 254.946 Caleb Nation

You've been banned from live streaming. They actually gave us a ban, so we're banned from live streaming for 30 days, and they won't tell us why, but yeah. I don't even know when it started.

255.066 - 256.207 Susan Pinsky

Because they know I don't like them.

256.247 - 263.523 Caleb Nation

And it's the same thing on Instagram too, right? Yeah. Instagram might be different, but yeah, TikTok for sure, they knocked us off.

264.464 - 284.421 Drew

Susan said all those shitty things about China, that's all. I did. But you might check out, people have been asking about the Linda McMahon interview. She's the Secretary of Education. She essentially told me she's going to shut things down. She wants to end her job. That's what she's been charged to do. And that she's going to really lobby Congress to get it done, which is what she must do.

284.521 - 306.206 Drew

And she said most of the most significant, the things that everybody wants to protect, sort of services for special needs kids, that kind of thing, is going to be put over to HHS where it belongs. And monies will be sent to the states in blocks to determine education needs closer to the students. Imagine that. All right, as I said, Jerome Riviere was a politician in France.

Chapter 3: How is the European Union affecting national sovereignty in France?

384.289 - 400.448 Drew

I listen to Yeah, very independent. That's what I like. I listen to him every day. And he was, somebody he was interviewing, again, these little nuggets. This guy said, well, I think it's the end of the American empire and the beginning of the reestablishment of the American nation.

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400.808 - 411.297 Drew

And I thought, oh, that's a very, very succinct and clear version of what seems to be happening, yet we can't articulate it here. Are people thinking that way in Europe about their particular countries?

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412.512 - 434.737 Jerome Riviere

I think this is what the majority of the people are thinking, is that we feel bad because nations are disappearing. And this is quite visible in Europe because of the European Union. In fact, you have some kind of supranational organization, which is the European Union, that is slowly sucking up all the powers of nations. It began with trades.

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435.077 - 453.952 Jerome Riviere

It followed with, during the pandemic, they decided they would take over health. Now they are trying to take over defense. All those powers belong to nations. And when the European Union was first imagined, the idea was to build a free market, not to build some kind of superpower.

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454.793 - 478.727 Jerome Riviere

And we feel, at least the people I was working with, National Rally and other political groups, feel that we have to reestablish nations. Because in fact, when you said that it's the end of the American empire, it was not the American empire. It was a globalization, a global power. It had nothing to do with America. It is the idea that a few people, a few establishments,

479.207 - 501.006 Jerome Riviere

could control rules takes an advantage of whatever was best in whichever country and impose it on a lot of other countries it went through the united states because the us is the largest of all those nations but we have to take our nations back and talk from nations to nations and not obey by by the demands of larger powers

502.669 - 512.305 Jerome Riviere

I strongly believe this is a financialization of capitalism that made all this happen. Capitalism is good. Too much finance, isn't it? What made it globalization?

513.891 - 539.918 Drew

Now, you mentioned the federalist system that you're being subjected to through the EU now going from finance to health now to defense. Is that why the enthusiasm for Ukraine? I mean, Macron the other day sounded like literally from the musical Les Miserables, like we're going to the front, we're going to the front. It's like with what, Mr. Macron? What is your plan? It was very odd.

540.987 - 569.762 Jerome Riviere

Yeah, it is strange, but you have to understand that in Europe, a lot of those governments, Macron, same thing in Germany, with the exception of Italy, where we have a more nationalist majority, with the exception of Hungary, where you have Orban who is fighting for nations, all those other countries, France leading the path, have been led by people that believe that power should be given to the European Union.

Chapter 4: What are the judicial controversies surrounding Marine Le Pen's political ban?

798.522 - 821.098 Jerome Riviere

is the western europe making taking slaves and bringing them to the states uh we are bad because we we had a great culture and we impose this culture all over you know we we coca-cola is like america europe so we impose coca-cola in china this is bad so the way we have looked our culture for the past 30 to 40 years is being ashamed of it

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821.738 - 842.855 Jerome Riviere

And what the movement that we can see right now, especially with younger people, is that they want to understand it better and they want to be proud of their culture. And we have many reasons to be proud of our culture. We have brought amazing things to civilization. And when you look at history, you cannot just look at the good things, but you definitely cannot just look at the bad things.

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843.196 - 869.633 Jerome Riviere

It's a movement. And I strongly believe that it is an amazing progress that the Western civilization made for humanity. We introduced so many great things. And I believe this began with Christianity. So this is something we also have to reconcile ourselves with. Our civilization begins with Christianity. So this is also something that makes Europe feel very uncomfortable.

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870.113 - 882.025 Jerome Riviere

We have a very different relationship with religion and God than we do have in the US. We talk about laicity all the time, but we don't feel comfortable with it.

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883.885 - 903.229 Drew

Well, I remember I was talking to a European journalist, this was years ago, like 15 years ago. And I said, what are you noticing the difference? She was sort of going around this country and interviewing people. And she goes, well, the first thing that absolutely blew my mind was almost every interview I did, God came up in the first five minutes of the conversation.

903.249 - 909.771 Drew

It's like that would not happen in Western Europe. That would not be part of the front of the conversation.

910.882 - 930.381 Jerome Riviere

But you know, I have an anecdote. The first time I met with Steve Bannon, it was in England, not the first time, but among the first time, and it was filmed. And he asked me if I could do the blessing for the lunch we were having. And I reacted as a French politician. I was like, oh no, I cannot do that. It's on TV. It's just like, we don't do it.

930.421 - 953.923 Jerome Riviere

So I told him, you know, it's not part of our culture. And I think this is something that we have to be proud of who we are. And this was a mistake on my part. I think that it is something normal that people can do if they feel comfortable doing. God and religion cannot be excluded from politics. It is also part of it. And I think you have a healthier way of looking at it in the U.S.

953.943 - 955.525 Jerome Riviere

than we do in France, especially.

Chapter 5: What is the public reaction in France to Marine Le Pen's ban?

1282.377 - 1313.873 Jerome Riviere

He was putting his daughter, 13-year-old daughter, for prostitution on websites. He was discovered. He was brought to trial. And after several tries and mistrials, his sentence was three years, non-executed three years. I mean, what kind of messages does it send to the French people for a politician using political funds that should be used in Europe? They are used in France.

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1314.493 - 1333.999 Jerome Riviere

You go four years in jail and you are banned five years from running. But if you're a judge and you put your 13-year-old child out for prostitution, the only thing you get is basically a slap on the hand. It doesn't make any sense. It is not possible. We also have... Sorry.

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1335.629 - 1343.195 Drew

I was going to say that our judges are both elected and appointed, depending on the state. How are your judges, how do they get their position?

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1343.815 - 1368.416 Jerome Riviere

Appointed. They are appointed, and then they cannot go away. We have had, in the news in France, we have a huge problem with immigration, and a lot of it is a violent immigration. And we have a lot of immigrants that are violent criminals that are supposed to be evicted from France. There is a judgment saying that they should be evicted. 90% of them are not evicted.

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1368.877 - 1392.442 Jerome Riviere

The judgment stays without anything being done. And we see a lot of them committing crimes again and again. And we know that some judges decided that the sentence should not be carried out. who at one point will come and decide that it is not fair that those judges are not doing their job properly. So the check and balance works only if there is a real balance.

1393.262 - 1408.229 Jerome Riviere

You know, when we say we don't want to comment, in France there is a big saying, I don't want to comment on a judicial decision. The judges comment daily on political decisions. They even decide whether they are good or not. So at one point, we have to put this balance back.

1408.989 - 1432.939 Jerome Riviere

And honestly, what President Trump is doing, just by talking about it, by saying, I don't agree with this judge or this judge's decision, it's making people realize, yes, we can criticize justice when it's not done properly. They don't have some kind of papal knowledge. You know, we say that the pope knows his... knows everything regarding religion. They don't know everything regarding justice.

1433.219 - 1439.122 Jerome Riviere

We can't criticize them. And they do mistakes. And when they do mistakes, they should be blamed for it.

1441.283 - 1469.942 Drew

Again, back to that radio show they were talking about. What do you guys call the... Bandana wrapped around the eyes of the image of justice. Yeah, that seems to be pulled away now. So she's, you know, it's supposed to be a... Yeah, exactly. She's looking under the bandana because it seems like the idea of a blind justice or not, you know, just an objective justice is... under attack.

Chapter 6: How does French culture and history influence current politics?

1624.265 - 1650.16 Jerome Riviere

He's very daring and indeed he pushes things, but the attention that he gets is diminishing. Right now he's not at all in the run for the presidential election. Marine Le Pen is a good 15 points ahead. of the next candidate. And the next candidate, you have quite a few of them that could be coming from Macron's party or Macron's minority. They are far away.

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1650.2 - 1654.444 Jerome Riviere

And then Mélenchon comes in third place, but he's quite far away.

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1655.778 - 1675.51 Drew

Macron is the middle, right, essentially, but it's kind of a weird middle party. But is there any – I was speaking to Beatrice Rosen, a French actress, and she said she thinks it's time for a sixième etat, that we're going to just have to redo the republic entirely. Do those words come out of anyone's mouth, or is that her being hyperbolic?

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1675.55 - 1701.343 Jerome Riviere

Oh, yeah. No, it has been talked for me. You know, we French, we love to change our constitution, right? We have had five so far. We began in 1789, so a little after you, but we have had five so far. The one that we have right now, our constitution, the fifth, was established by General de Gaulle in 1958. So there are indeed a lot of voices saying that it should change. It was established

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1702.303 - 1721.739 Jerome Riviere

with General de Gaulle in mind, who was quite a strong personality at a time that was different. We don't act with amendments. We do drastic things. That's why we had a revolution. So that's why it's sometimes worrisome to see that we are in a dead end because of the reaction that the French people can have sometimes.

1723.917 - 1750.761 Drew

You spent a lot of time in the United States, correct? Yes, I do. So explain, I asked Beatrice the same thing. It sort of fascinates me. I swear to God, I can't listen to a journalist interview or at least a discussion amongst journalists Before, within five minutes, they bring up 1789 and the rights of man, no matter what they're talking about.

1751.622 - 1769.899 Drew

And there's like, when I first started hearing, I was like, we bring up the sort of the founding documents and things, maybe the founding people, but we don't talk about the events of 1776. But the French, 1789 comes up all the time and it surprises me. What is that?

1770.95 - 1801.112 Jerome Riviere

Yeah, but it's a war that the nationalists have lost, say, the left, all of the left, and the extreme left is trying to impose the idea that France began in 1789, that in fact before the monarchies, 1,500 years before, do not count, that they are bad and that... We enlightened the world, but we enlightened ourselves in 1789, which I think is very wrong.

1801.573 - 1834.034 Jerome Riviere

And I think this is one of the cultural wars that we have to win. France did not begin in 1789. France began way before. We have so many things that did matter that created this civilization. So this is why you will see all people that bear left ideologically, will always bring back 1789 because to them it is the beginning of the new era. The French Revolution was not that great.

Chapter 7: What is the impact of tariffs and globalization on Europe according to Jerome Riviere?

2395.489 - 2397.811 Susan Pinsky

I know. And I'm so grateful. Thank you.

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2398.191 - 2403.434 Drew

So are we going to run to anything else or should I bring Justin in here? Caleb, how's this going to work?

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2403.454 - 2405.195 Caleb Nation

Do a quick break. We didn't do the break yet.

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2405.215 - 2426.261 Drew

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2478.931 - 2483.315 Justin Gardner

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2488.139 - 2503.952 Drew

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2505.349 - 2519.868 Drew

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Chapter 8: What is Active Skin Repair and how is it used for healing?

2746.514 - 2754.377 Drew

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2756.858 - 2779.666 Justin Gardner

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2790.196 - 2810.251 Justin Gardner

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2810.871 - 2833.138 Justin Gardner

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2833.158 - 2837.479 Justin Gardner

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2839.352 - 2844.648 Drew

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2846.411 - 2869.697 Justin Gardner

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2870.077 - 2895.823 Justin Gardner

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