Australian Finance Podcast
How to stop being a hot money mess: Using data to fix your finances
08 Jun 2026
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Chapter 1: What is Christian Hull's money story and coaching framework?
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If you've been following along our series with Christian Hull, where we make over the money mess that he is, welcome back. If you haven't seen the other episodes, make sure you head to episode one. This is where the chaos begins. It's absolutely hilarious.
Episode two was Owen and I diving into the framework that is money coaching and what we're putting in place to help make over Christian's money mess. And today is episode three, three out of five part series, and we are diving into the data. We are talking with a Pocketsmith
expert and we're going through how the data actually helps you make better decisions regardless if you're in christian's position or you're thinking that you're doing okay with your money the data really helps so let's dive in
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Chapter 2: How can data help turn money goals into momentum?
We were talking before we hit record. If you watch the video rather than listening to the audio, you just see me blankly stare or saying, yep, yep, as I'm just shocked. Stunned by the stuff that comes out of his mouth.
I'll try not to do that to you today, Gemma.
Yes, yes.
Hopefully I won't sort of bring out that look on your face.
But the episode's great. So what we've been doing is Christian is a self-proclaimed hot money mess. He, honestly, I don't, when we started the money coaching process with him, I actually feel like he isn't a hot mess at all. Yes, he's got some concerns and things, but I think they actually relate to most of our concerns. So that was probably the most surprising thing of
going, you know, taking him on as a client and working through this. So we now have got to the stage where we've done the money mindset stuff. We've done the goal setting and we got very clear on some of his goals. And now I want to go through how the platform is actually supporting some decision making.
And this might be a bit of a spoiler that since the first episode went out where we very clearly set his goals, he's done a backflip. He's He's bought a house that was not on the goals. So actually we can talk about how Pockersmith actually helped with that as well. So let's dive into the first one.
I want to do the – we're going to do four examples of the tools here that helped with his goals and decision making. And I've picked the ones that I think that apply to most people.
Okay.
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Chapter 3: Why are spreadsheets not suitable for everyone in managing finances?
That is very, very motivating. And Yeah, so you mentioned that he would probably have to go in monthly to update this. So we do have as part of his plan that he's tracking his net worth monthly. I do mine monthly as well, but I'm resetting after a divorce, so I've got some pretty aggressive goals. For a lot of people, I think that probably only needs to be done annually.
But for this, when you're working towards a big goal, so what would you do? You just jump into your tracker and you just adjust... to make sure that you're hitting that.
Yeah. So you go in and have a look at your dashboard and then from your calendar, you can then go into that asset and update the balance or the value of that asset.
Yeah, so bank accounts are being pulled through automatically because we've got his transactions and so he can see all of his transactions. We'll go into that a little bit later. But this one is a manual one, is that right? Because this is an investment outside of his banking account.
Yeah, so it's typically most, I think, investment accounts, they don't have that ability to take a bank feed, which brings in the balances automatically.
Yeah. I guess that's like the positive there is probably it's just a bit more engagement. Like you have to actually be looking at things and you're typing the number in, which is actually cementing in our mind that this is something that we're still working towards.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah. Perfect. I particularly love with this, the zoom in, the zoom out and the, the tracking it, the pretty, the pretty graphs. Um, this is going to be so motivated for people that have goals and it might actually be, so Christians is for a tiny home, but this could be the same of you setting a goal for debt repayment, a savings.
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Chapter 4: What is the significance of monthly money check-ins?
I think that habit is stronger if you make it a monthly habit rather than because if it's quarterly or half yearly, you know, you forget what the steps are.
Yeah. And we want that constant reminder pretty much daily that then keeps us on track with our little spending and things that it does actually matter because you're putting it towards something. Yeah. Massive fan. If you're not already tracking your net worth, we definitely want you to be doing it.
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The next one, the next tool that we specifically have used for Christian, which wasn't part of the plan. So this is what I was talking about. So I don't think I've mentioned it in a podcast yet, but we did the first couple of money coaching sessions with Christian very clear on his goals. The tiny home one is a huge goal.
And he had some other more short term ones around managing his cash flow, feeling more confident with the business cash flow and what he could do. But one thing that was never on the goals list was another property, another house. And he has announced on his social media that he's actually done it. But before this actually happened, I got a, I think it was an email and it was like, help
I've just found a house that I want to buy. It's on the coast. It's got sea views. I want to buy this house and it's X amount of money. And I was like, wow, okay. So I said, is the tiny home go out? And he's like, no, no, we're still doing that. I was like, oh, okay. And so we went through like what he needed to do. He needed to talk to a mortgage broker. He needed this.
He needed to get his business financials done. But I was like this is a huge – it's a big purchase. It's going to be a big loan and that is going to severely impact your cashflow. So we jumped on with him and did a scenario. And this is probably my favorite thing about Pocketsmith. Like, cause yes, you can track your net worth manually. You can do all of these things.
This thing, I don't think you can really do anywhere else. So talk to me about this scenario that we built out for cashflow. And again, You know, it might not be that our listeners are going to be so dramatic in their goal changes. You have a perfect example. Have you used this feature as well? But this one I think is probably the best thing that I can see clients utilize themselves.
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Chapter 5: Why is tracking net worth more important than just monitoring bank balances?
Doesn't plan to rent it out. So this is a lifestyle asset. It's an emotional decision. And not all finances need to be great investments. You know, money isn't there to be enjoyed, but we just want to see what that impact is. In the episode that you and I did a while ago now, you talked about how this feature actually helped you. Was it a redundancy feature?
Yeah, so it was back in 2024. My wife and our two kids took a six week holiday to Greece. My wife, her family are from Greece. And so we spent some time over there having a look around and spending time with her family. We got back, she went back to work. There'd been a restructure in the organisation she was at and she no longer had a job, which is a bit of a shock.
after taking a break and it wasn't a cheap holiday either. But, you know, the benefit of Pocketsmith here was that we had, you know, all our data in there. We had budgets and it was a really easy sort of process to go in there and just model what this was, you know, going to look like for the next, you know, six months. I think she was back working in a six-month period. Yeah.
you know, that took the stress out of, well, a part of the stress out of what is a stressful situation, right? So, you know, really quickly we got a view on how things were going to look and it's like, okay, we're right. Let's just now focus on what's next.
Yeah. Cause when, when things like that happen, people will go to, well, what expenses need to be stripped out? What's our runway? Like how long can we manage this without you working? And that can cause a lot of pressure to get back into things really, really quickly. Yeah. Amazing. Okay.
So that one definitely threw a spanner in the works with the money coaching sessions, but yeah, I'm all for it. And it's,
That would have put a look of shock through your face, I imagine, if we captured that.
Yeah, he'll be on an episode. We've got one in between this and then his next one, and I can't wait to talk through that. I'm like, we just had this very clear plan. But that's finances, right? That's life. We have these plans and we have these goals. And, you know, me, I've got a great spreadsheet, but life happens and then things change. So you want to be able to adjust course and...
It's money. It's there to be enjoyed. We just want to balance it with future decisions. So this one here is the final one that I wanted to talk about that I think lots of people will resonate with. Problem areas in spending. So we looked at my pocket smith and identified mine, and it's pretty much the same as Christian's. Our problem area is convenience food.
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Chapter 6: How can visual financial dashboards change spending behavior?
And if they're coming from different accounts, so two partners, two spouses or whatever, are tapping on different cards, if you just go and look at your bank app, you're not going to see all of that come through, right, whereas on this one it will pull through to the widget.
Yeah, it brings it all into that sort of consolidated view.
Yeah, I think that's really important. When people hear about budgeting and managing their cash flow, I think they automatically go to, well, I have to track every dollar and I need to be over all of these things. But you can just focus on one of the areas that you feel is a bit of a problem. And maybe it's like for three months or six months, this is the area.
And then you swap it to one other and that becomes your focus.
Yeah. And I think in that time, you know, like you're highlighting the spend and then it's about, I guess, changing behaviour. And then you can back off from focusing on that. And, you know, there might be another area that you want to then dive into. So, you know, we are sort of.
tracking every dollar but it's happening automatically yeah there's not sort of an extra effort yeah you know to do that as so it's really easy to switch your focus because absolutely yeah because you know as you talked about with with with christian you know his his goals change and so you know we can then pivot to to look at different things within within the app
Well, it all comes back to that behavior. But yes, with Christian, it's kind of like, well, you can spend this because you can afford it, but you also want to buy this $10,000 light. So there's a trade-off conversation with all of that. So if people aren't going to use an app and they want to manually track, do you have some tips on how you would do that? You used to be a spreadsheet person.
If you're not going to use an app, what are you thinking? You're like, just use the app.
Just use the app, yeah. I mean, I'd be having a look at the RASC website. There's some good budget templates that you've got there. So go and find a template that makes sense. There's plenty of resources out there. Don't try and build that from the ground up yourself.
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