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Australian Finance Podcast

Invest In Yourself, HECS and Side Hustles

03 Jun 2019

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Chapter 1: What does it mean to invest in yourself?

0.031 - 26.345 Owen Rascovitch

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26.786 - 44.868 Owen Rascovitch

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45.469 - 63.24 Owen Rascovitch

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63.721 - 84.46 Owen Rascovitch

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88.405 - 102.111 Kate Campbell

Welcome to the Australian Finance Podcast, a podcast for people who want to learn more about their personal finances and get the most from their money. This series is hosted by Kate Campbell from HowToMoney and Owen Rascovitch from Rask Finance.

103.812 - 115.494 Owen Rascovitch

The Australian Finance Podcast is provided for educational purposes only. The information is general in nature and does not take into account your needs, goals or objectives. What that means is the information does not apply to you specifically.

Chapter 2: Why is investing in yourself important for career growth?

116.075 - 139.438 Owen Rascovitch

So consider getting the advice of a licensed and trusted professional before acting on the information. Hi, Owen, and welcome back to the Australian Finance Podcast. Thanks for having me, Kate. What are we talking about today? Today we're talking about something that's really important and doesn't have to necessarily mean a lot of money, investing in yourself. Oh, okay. This sounds interesting.

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139.518 - 161.692 Owen Rascovitch

Yes. Investing in yourself. So is this like take $1 out of your pocket, put it in your other pocket or a little bit different? A little bit different. It might mean taking an hour out of your day to actually learn something or read something that's going to grow your skill set. It doesn't have to be a financial transaction. It can just be a time transaction.

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161.712 - 172.087 Owen Rascovitch

So you're actually paying yourself with time. Cool. So like you're saying, listen to this podcast at least once a week. Yes. Well, this is a form of investing in yourself. Yes, it is indeed.

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Chapter 3: What are effective ways to invest in yourself without spending a lot?

172.167 - 190.637 Owen Rascovitch

I like it. I think podcasts are a great way to learn. And we both love using podcasts to learn and that's a free way to invest in yourself. There's plenty of great podcasts out there. Okay, so let's just back it up a bit. What is investing in yourself and how does it work? Why would someone consider doing it?

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190.904 - 214.098 Owen Rascovitch

I think often we leave school, we leave uni with a set skill set and they've given us some skills, but they haven't given us everything. We've got a few tools in our toolbox. That seems kind of lame, but you've got to actually develop more skills and then actually improve. turn the current skills you have into more valuable skills.

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214.118 - 238.984 Owen Rascovitch

So if you want to progress throughout your career, you're going to be learning things on the job, but to actually progress faster, to get that next pay rise, to change career directions, you're actually going to have to put in some work on the side, whether that be an hour a day or doing a course or something like that to keep upskilling yourself and becoming a more valuable employee and being able to do more things.

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238.964 - 258.876 Owen Rascovitch

Yeah, I think that's a really good way to frame it like in terms of a career progression. There's table stakes or like things if you want to become, you know, when you get into a certain role in a certain industry, there's requirements. You always see them on like the job ads, don't you? There's like... There's like what you need and then there's like the nice-to-haves.

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258.916 - 260.699 Kate Campbell

Yeah, the desirable attributes.

260.719 - 268.549 Owen Rascovitch

Yeah, and that can be most of the time it's formal study or experience. So you kind of have to tick that box, but it doesn't have to stop there.

Chapter 4: How can online resources aid in personal development?

268.669 - 285.029 Owen Rascovitch

It doesn't have to stop at school or university either. So we'll get to some ways that people can, I suppose, invest in themselves without forking out a lot of money to go and do an expensive course. Yeah. I think the key point here, for me at least, is that your knowledge snowballs and it compounds just as quick.

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285.049 - 307.75 Owen Rascovitch

And we talk about compounding a lot in terms of finances and not noticing it until it's already so big that it's compounding away in the background. The same thing with knowledge, right? As you get older, it does become harder to learn and retain things. Some people might disagree with that, but it's definitely easier to learn when you're

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308.843 - 329.27 Owen Rascovitch

There's a reason we study at the beginning of our lives and not at the end of it. And the reason we study at the beginning is because we learn all these core, I suppose, these core ideas about how the world works. And then as we get older and get experience, we can fill in the gaps and we can build upon that. So like basics, like maths and that sort of stuff.

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329.29 - 345.136 Owen Rascovitch

If you didn't learn that until you're 70, you'd find it very tough. So the idea is that you get this core body of knowledge and then you work on it over time. And Yeah, and you choose the direction you want to build it in. Yeah, exactly. And for me it's, you said it, an hour a day.

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345.477 - 364.052 Owen Rascovitch

So there doesn't have to be like a, you know, sit down with your, put on your reading glasses and read a really dense book. It can be just listen to a podcast. It could be while you're in the car, while you're on the train, something like that. It could be reading a book. It could be reading a magazine for your industry, whatever it might be.

364.092 - 380.498 Owen Rascovitch

It's just about recognizing that you are the most important customer. And at the end of the day, you could work an extra hour, get $20, get $50, whatever you're on. But at the end of the day, does that help you in five or ten years from today? Probably not as much as the hour you put aside.

380.478 - 401.658 Owen Rascovitch

I think so often we get caught up in spending time at work, spending time with family and friends and everything, and we don't actually spend any time investing in ourself and our future. And, yeah, it's just as simple as that hour a day or going off and going to that meet-up group and meeting some people in a different field and learning from them. That's quite a popular way.

Chapter 5: What are HECS and HELP loans, and how do they work?

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Or going to the library and getting a few books on different topics that you would never think about reading otherwise. Mm-hmm. So it's so easy nowadays, I think, even with the internet. There's so many online courses and it doesn't mean a $2,000 uni subject.

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418.177 - 439.126 Owen Rascovitch

Udemy, Khan Academy, Skillshare, they all have really cheap $20, $30 you can learn from someone who's an expert in whatever their area is, whether that's bread making, playing the ukulele or Pythagoras Theorem. And it's all on there and you can actually learn from people's experiences and grow. And it doesn't have to be the area that you're working on in your career.

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439.186 - 463.323 Owen Rascovitch

So you might be a data scientist and you're going to learn psychology in the evening so you can improve the picture you can paint with the numbers. So that's one I've seen with a colleague of mine recently. But I think the skill you're putting effort into doesn't necessarily have to be related to your career. You might be trying to improve in music and you're in law, just anything like that.

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463.383 - 487.249 Owen Rascovitch

It's just growing your ability to learn and developing your skill sets. another thing also is a side hustle that's sort of become overdone recently the whole everyone's writing about them but just doing something on the side even if you don't end up making any money you learn a lot of skills from actually putting something together whether it be

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487.229 - 507.195 Owen Rascovitch

how to sell a product or how to write copy or how to getting and talking to people in your community and things like that and even volunteering you learn a lot of skills as well and so if you're doing whether it be an online course you're actually getting out and doing something in your community you're just building those skill sets and you might not even realize

507.175 - 530.653 Owen Rascovitch

You mentioned Card Academy just before. That's a free resource online and you can get it on YouTube or you can go to their website. And I used that website when I was studying postgraduate business analytics. And I found that the free courses on YouTube were better than the lecturers at my university. And that's a free resource, right?

Chapter 6: When do you start repaying your student loans?

530.673 - 552.91 Owen Rascovitch

And another one is YouTube. A lot of my days spent on youtube or just using google because as an investor i have to find out what companies do and have to research management and learn these core competencies to understand industries the easiest way to do that just go on youtube and go like what is or subject explained and it comes up and it's it's such an easy way to learn something

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552.89 - 574.88 Owen Rascovitch

And just circling back to the side hustle, I did a bit of undergraduate study in technology, but I didn't know how to build websites from my course. I actually took it upon myself to go out and to watch tutorials online and do all that via YouTube, listening to podcasts, reading blogs, et cetera. And those are some of the soft skills that you develop.

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575.04 - 582.711 Owen Rascovitch

People always come to me and they say, I'm a finance person or I'm thinking of getting in, I want to write a blog, but I have no idea how to build a blog.

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582.691 - 607.568 Owen Rascovitch

easiest way go to youtube and just find out yeah i would consider that that part of that hour of investing in yourself because that's a skill you're going to learn you won't show up on your cv necessarily but it's a it's a really good one what about in terms of employment like when people are thinking about their careers and and they want to become obviously valuable to their employer should people generalize or do you think adding some specialist skills in there

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607.548 - 631.824 Owen Rascovitch

Yeah, I think specializing and even making yourself a more niche individual. So maybe you're working in customer relations at a company but then you develop skills on the side in terms of creating content or sales and then you can start branching out in your company because often companies want to continue to employ their current employees and advance you and they're happy to work with you.

631.864 - 650.532 Owen Rascovitch

So if you're putting in time on the side to learn another skill set, the company's happy usually to work with you to branch out to other areas. So putting in work on the side is often a good way for you to change direction or build more skill sets in your current company and improve your job.

650.512 - 669.362 Owen Rascovitch

It's just coincidence, but I was listening to something that Charlie Munger, who is Warren Buffett's sidekick at Berkshire Hathaway, if you like, he was talking about specializing in certain fields. And he said, you don't want to go to a doctor who's half proctologist and half dentist.

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Yeah.

669.462 - 688.525 Owen Rascovitch

And it's true, right? You want to go to the doctor because you want to get the right answer to the right question. And it's the same way you should think about your position and your skill set, provided it's not something that maybe is going to be made redundant, which we'll talk about in a minute. Yeah, you want to be the person at your company that everyone goes to.

Chapter 7: Should you prioritize paying off your HECS debt?

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If it's a question about X, Y, Z topic, everyone knows that you are the person to go to. You're the expert. You can answer any question. And that makes you really valuable. Absolutely, it does. And just also, so there's that. And then there's also being aware of what's going on in the business itself. So what are the needs of the business? Where are the growth areas?

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708.341 - 713.813 Owen Rascovitch

Where are the areas that there might be a shortfall in labor or what have you? Yeah.

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713.793 - 729.574 Owen Rascovitch

recognizing that and thinking to yourself, well, maybe I can go over there and learn a new skill and make myself even more valuable to the business because I bring this technical knowledge and I combine it with that technical knowledge or this general knowledge and that's just, yeah, that combination is really important.

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729.74 - 748.221 Owen Rascovitch

And often I think going niche in maybe a couple of areas, but then broadly understanding the surrounding topics and skills really helps as well. Because if you get thrown into the deep end because someone's away, you can pick up what they're doing and things like that. But you still are valuable in your particular area of expertise.

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748.201 - 770.666 Owen Rascovitch

And we talked about this a little bit in the last podcast, but it also helps with, let's be real, it helps with promotions, getting into jobs or roles that are much more lucrative. You can even become a career changer if you've got a particular skill set. You can maybe transform that and take it to another industry, another company.

772.649 - 777.836 Owen Rascovitch

For people that are really career-minded, changing roles is often a way to get up So you may not be going straight up.

Chapter 8: Are robots going to take my job in the future?

778.718 - 791.826 Owen Rascovitch

Sometimes you have to zigzag across different companies and different roles. And that's ultimately how you end up in the executive branch, if you like. So that's definitely something to keep in mind. And it's just all the while keeping yourself as valuable as possible.

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791.806 - 812.795 Owen Rascovitch

Yeah, and if you want to change career directions but you can't quit your day job because you need your income, building up a skill set on the side, building a portfolio of work in that area and the relevant skills and then you can bring that to the table and you don't have to stop working or go off and do a full-time course.

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812.815 - 836.441 Owen Rascovitch

Yeah, and just for career starters because there's probably people listening to this that probably haven't made their way into an industry yet, you hear these things all the time where there's a graduate position or what have you, and they say you need experience or you need these certain qualifications, but there could be a thousand people that meet that criteria and you don't.

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836.902 - 847.655 Owen Rascovitch

So you've got to stand out somehow. So maybe it might seem silly, but maybe just mentioning that you have this other skill set, recognizing what the business does and then highlighting that is really important.

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Yeah.

847.915 - 861.131 Owen Rascovitch

And that can sometimes make you stand out from the crowd. For sure, yeah, because you're going to be a problem solver when you go into a business and if you can bring some sort of skill set that might be valuable to them, you don't know what that is necessarily, just mention it.

861.591 - 882.095 Owen Rascovitch

And for most jobs, apart from some of the niche ones, they care more about your problem solving and your ability to get things done and innovate rather than that specific knowledge so that you know those hard facts better. There are some jobs like air traffic control where you need to know the hard facts. As you'd know.

882.115 - 905.741 Owen Rascovitch

But a lot of jobs, especially in the finance industry, they're looking for your ability to solve problems and work with clients and things like that rather than you know X, Y, Z because the employer knows you can pick up most of that on the job. That's true. Okay, so one of the things we wanted to talk about I think is talking about HECS and student loans. Is that right? Yes. Yeah.

905.761 - 928.726 Owen Rascovitch

And I've got to say, I think you're the expert of the two of us. I know a little bit. Well, I thought that was quite relevant, especially for my audience, our audience. And I'm currently in the last year of my undergraduate degree. So I'm doing that online, but still costs the same, sadly. Yeah. You miss out on so much but still it costs the same.

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