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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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This podcast contains general financial advice only. That means it's not specific to you, your needs, goals or objectives, so don't act on the information until you've spoken with your financial advisor. You'll find our full disclosure, disclaimer and link to our financial services guide in the show notes. Kate, welcome to this episode of the Australian Finance Podcast.
It's good to be back, Owen, for a very special day today.
Yes, we have a very, very special guest with us today. What listeners might not know is that for the past maybe 30 or maybe 40 episodes, there's been someone in the background. There's been someone kind of just lurking around. As we record our shows, every show there's been someone with us and that person is Monique.
Monique is the producer of the Australian Finance Podcast and she joins us today for this very special Valentine's Day episode. Welcome to the show, Monique.
Hello. I'm not in the background today.
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Chapter 2: Why is it important to talk about money in relationships?
I like it. So we're just chatting off air. Every year when we do Spotify wrapped, we can see as people that produce shows, we can see what other people listen to. And also on the backend, we can see the analytics of what, you know, the favorite artists are. So if someone listens to our podcast, Inside Spotify, what do they go and listen to?
Some of the names, Kate, you've got the names, don't you?
Yeah, for the finance podcast. And surprisingly, it's very similar for the investors podcast. We've got Justin Bieber, Taylor Swift, Drake, I think The Weeknd and Ed Sheeran. So similar taste to me, though. So I don't know what that means.
Maybe you're the one downloading all the episodes inside Spotify. So Monique, of those guests, of those artists, sorry, those world famous artists, have you shot any of them? Have you been the photographer for any of those gigs?
I've done Taylor Swift and The Weeknd a few years back, which is really cool.
Nice. Where did you do Taylor Swift?
I was at Rod Laver. That night was actually a big night. I had two gigs in one night. So it was a bit of a rush, but it was good fun.
Yeah. Nice. And yeah, because I was, I can't remember who I was telling during the week, but I reckon you've been to more gigs in like one week, maybe like the past week than I have probably in my life. So.
Yeah, well, I used to do like maybe three, four a week. So it was full on.
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Chapter 3: How can couples effectively communicate about finances?
And he actually, I think he mentioned it on this podcast, which is where he said that the financial world is basically built for couples. And that's a pretty tough pill to swallow if you're single. But it's probably the truth, right?
Because when we think about what the kind of average Australian does, they get a mortgage, they have pretty expensive, like a pretty big loan, and they have a couple of kids, right? So... If you have one income, it's pretty hard to do a lot of those things. You definitely can do it. Like we know so many people that do that and fantastic. It's awesome.
But it is easier when you have like two people working together financially because for a period of your life, you typically have two incomes. And then when you have children, if that's the way you go, one of you can typically still work and maybe the other one can do some part-time work after a few years if they want to or they need to.
And then when they come back to work, you've still got two incomes again. And the basic idea we know is that more income in and less going out means that you're going to build wealth quicker. So having twice the income works. And then you can also have what we call synergies on the spending side where you only pay rent once, you only pay the mortgage once.
And so you can split those things if you want to. So if you can effectively communicate and share goals, Personally, having two people working together with their finances is like super power. So I guess there are a few things here which we'll throw unpack, but communication is obviously one of them. And communication comes with, I guess, having shared values as well, which we'll get to.
Yeah, absolutely. And I think one of the important things to start with is just when are you ready to start talking about that money conversation? I mean, it's not probably the thing you bring up on the first date, apart from maybe like who pays for the meal or the movie tickets.
But I don't know if for you, Monique, when did it seem like the right time to actually start having that money conversation? And what did you start with for that?
Yeah, so mine's like super recent, like literally three weeks ago we had the conversation. Yeah, so I bought my place probably like six months ago, six or eight months ago, like not intending to move in with my partner, but then ended up moving in, which is all sweet. And then I had the thought of opening up like a shared bank account, but a bit lazy, just let that go for a bit.
And then it just got until recently where I was like, no, I'm actually buying the bread and milk quite a lot here. I think we need to open up a Shaded Bank account just to make it a bit more fair.
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Chapter 4: What are the challenges of splitting bills in a relationship?
And if you're not, you know, upfront about that, I think that makes it more difficult. But for us, because Sarah and I, we met, I was 17, she was 16. We were incredibly young when we met. And so I think for us, it was kind of a different situation.
like sequence i was i was a bit older and i'd moved out when i was 18 19 um and you know i was kind of already fending for myself from a very young age and um so i was kind of familiar with that where sarah had the more kind of like she stayed at home until she was through union and all that type of stuff
And so we never really had to talk about it because we were both self-sufficient for many years. So probably like the first four or five years, we were just really self-sufficient. And it wasn't a case of, you know, there weren't any clear rules around who pays for what or does what. It was more so just that we were both fine, as in we could both fend for ourselves.
And that's kind of the way we built it from there. So then by the time it was many years down the track, we combined our finances and we We didn't even bat an eyelid because we were already in the routine. Now, one of the mistakes that I think we've made, even up until recently, one of the mistakes that we've made is we haven't had clear goals around our finances.
And that's been really important because for Sarah, my partner, she likes to be clear and have goals. And I'm the type of person that doesn't. So I've been kind of stubborn with that. And I think that's been a mistake not to have those shared goals. And we've always had a shared goal to start a business and to get through uni and hopefully travel and do all those types of things.
But we didn't write these things down, which we should have done.
Yeah. And I think that applies to all the goals. And when we've talked about goal setting on episodes in the past, it's really applying that, but to the overall relationship as well, not just to your individual situation, because you've actually got those shared resources and the, you might be supporting someone and the situation will look quite different. And
I think we talked a little bit about like times when maybe you're ready to combine finances, but I don't know if either of you have perspectives or maybe stories or anecdotes from friends of like, when might you not be ready to combine finances with your significant other?
Well, I'll go first. And if Monique has something, maybe she can dive into this. I think when you haven't spoken about finances, and I think when you have question marks over your partner's financial hygiene, I think those are the times when you might not combine your finances. Because... Let's be honest, there are a lot of like almost everyone in the world.
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Chapter 5: How do shared bank accounts impact relationships?
Like, as in, have you been able to talk about money in any way?
Yeah, for sure. I mean, like, because both of us have been in like the freelance position because he's a musician as well. So we always have to just really keep an eye on our balance and when's the next job coming up. I mean, for me, not so much now, which is great. But yeah, like throughout the start of our relationship, we were very conscious about money and, you know,
like how well we were saving and yeah if we actually wanted a future together um how is this gonna work like yeah we've always kind of spoken about the future and if we're to move into it with each other like could we actually do it with our current job situations and stuff like that
yeah yeah i think that's that's a really interesting thing that you bring up about freelancers there's a lot of people that listen to this that would be a freelancer or potentially a contractor and so for them um you know that regularity and income probably makes um their situation a little bit more precarious or like at least they think oh you know i don't i don't know if i should combine finances and i think one of the things that people maybe get stuck with is kind of like the
maybe not, maybe shame's a pretty tough word, but like they feel ashamed. They have like a sense of like, oh, I don't know if I can share this with my partner because I'm not sure if I'm happy with it, whether they have debt or whether they, you know, they think that they should be doing more.
And I think maybe if that's the case, I would just say, be honest with your partner because you're going to be stronger together. You know, I think one difference between Sarah and I is that Sarah comes from a very stable financial background, whereas I don't. And so I was used, so used, used, used. I was familiar with having low balances when I was a teenager in my bank accounts.
Like I was, I was at times, you know, had like 20 or $30 in my bank account for days or whatever. And that was very, very common for me. And whereas for her, it probably wasn't because she didn't have to really worry about that at home. And so I think those types of insecurities can, can come up too.
And I think the best thing to do is just to be honest early on and it can be painful, but it's definitely worth it. It's definitely worth being honest with your partner.
Yeah. Rather than leaving it to the last minute, then you, Oh yeah, let's move in together. And one has absolutely no money. And then the other one's been saving for 20 years.
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Chapter 6: What are some strategies for setting financial goals together?
basically nothing to do with money because if you touch the concept of money in their presence they might get really emotional and defensive and not want to go down that pathway so something that i've been working on recently is basically this idea of and i should have done this years ago by the way um this idea of like designing your your perfect life or like Designing your ideal life.
So this is not, you know, oh, I'm going to have, you know, I think the Barefoot Investor wrote about Robbie Williams' mansion, which cost him $700,000 in taxes every year. This is not, you know, a 50-acre estate with 27 bathrooms and, you know, you've got a fairytale lifestyle. It's not that. It's actually just thinking about, well, what do I actually want from life?
Like what makes me content and happy? Who makes me content and happy? And what will I be doing? So, you know, for me, that might be just a regular house with a dog and maybe some chickens and, you know, some kids. And that's basically it, right? And so then you can work back from there. If you have that kind of lifestyle as a couple or as a single, well, what do I need to do to achieve that?
Financially, probably not that much. You know, you probably just need to be sensible, right? So for most people, if you're trying to tackle that issue about, well, not necessarily, let's just have a conversation about money. Like no one really wants to talk just about money. Like it's not that entertaining. But if you say to them, hey, let's sit down and let's design a lifestyle together.
What do you want from life? Let's go away. Let's talk about this. What do you want? And that's a totally different conversation. And then the money comes into it because then you're like, okay, well, how can we do this? And it's more like problem solving together rather than saying, let's just talk about money, which is pretty intimidating for a lot of people.
So yeah, we've talked about the psychology of money. It's a very powerful thing. That's kind of a way that couples can introduce that concept and slowly work on their partner.
Yeah. And I think another thing that we wanted to talk about is just splitting costs for things like rent and mortgages and vehicles and gifts and things. And I know you've had that experience recently, Monique, because you bought your first property, which is really exciting all by yourself. And then you had someone move in with you.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so that was kind of a surprise element to my change in life. But yeah, I bought my little one-bedder apartment, not really intending for my partner to move in. But then he ended up moving anyway, which was great. And it's all worked out. It's totally fine. But yeah, I didn't really think about the cost of things to begin with because it wasn't just in the forefront of my mind.
But, yeah, we've just ended up working it out along the way, asking for advice, like even just what the people around me have been doing with their partners. So I asked my sister, I asked my parents, and a couple of mates who have done the same thing. And, yeah, so we pretty much just split the mortgage, split the bills. Yeah, it's very just straightforward.
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Chapter 7: How can couples manage financial stress and disagreements?
yeah, just makes it easier. And yeah, he was fine with that. So I was fine with that, but yeah. And then I keep bringing it up, bringing it up. Um, like if he ever wants anything to change, just to bring it up with me and that's totally fine and I'll do the same.
Yep. Yep. That's really important. I think, um, keep like just having that open conversation. Um, so yeah, right. So does that mean that you then, um, like you, you did a budget together?
Not like we didn't really sit down and do it properly, but we just like kind of know what goes where, if that makes sense.
Yeah, you know kind of like what needs to be paid for every month or something like that.
Yeah, it's very casual.
So you start with your mortgage and then basically, so the way I'm thinking of this is like, you have your costs, which would like have the mortgage slash rent in it. And then you'd have utilities like internet, gas, electricity, whatever. And then you've got like groceries basically. And that's, that's probably it.
Yeah.
And then, so your incomes are still your own. It's just that those, those costs are shared.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, we still kind of, we still have our separate bank accounts and everything and everything's kind of separate. It's just the house stuff is in a separate little folder, so.
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Chapter 8: What questions should couples ask each other about money?
I'd love to hear what people do in the Facebook community for this because I feel like there's no one right answer to this. So I feel like we would love to hear from you. If you do do this, like, how do you do it? For us, it's basically at Christmas time. It's probably the tricky time because that's when all the gifts come out. Like you have to have a big budget. And basically we set it.
It's not like a thing where we sit down and we do like a spreadsheet and we go, this person's going to have this much. Basically what we do is we keep it equal across the family. So if say my brother, you know, we spend a hundred dollars on him, then we'll spend a hundred dollars on her brother. You know, that's kind of like how we do it.
And then for weddings and the more ad hoc things that pop up here and there, it's kind of just like we both contribute to that.
And because they're kind of both of our friends, it's different for you because you're kind of in this, you're like probably in this in-between state where you've got, you're not quite fully banking together and you're not sharing all of your finances, but you're sharing some of them. So like my gut feel is, My gut feel would be that you could pay for your friend's gifts.
If you have shared couples, like couples friends, you might chip in for that. But if it's your friend, you might take responsibility for that. And even though Sarah and I, we share our finances, that's basically how we do it. There was an instance not too long ago where someone had a wedding and Sarah's like, you know what?
I'm going to go and spend, I think she said, I'm going to go and spend $400 on this person's wedding gift. And I was like, sure, go and do that. That's what's important to you. Go and do that. And even though it was our money, I didn't care. And that's, by the way, that's the most I think we've ever spent. It's quite outlandish. You know, think about it. It must have been a good gift.
What was it? Yeah, I don't know. It just vanished out of the bank. So, yeah. And so that was completely fine. Whereas in the past, we would have to, we were on a budget, you know, if we were starting the business, we were studying and doing all those types of things. We couldn't afford to spend a lot of money, but we just tried to keep it as even as possible.
And, you know, as kids, as like nieces and nephews have come into the picture, it's just got too much. And we've had to be realistic around how much we can and can't spend. we then kind of backpedal from like, oh, well, we won't give a gift to our brothers and sisters. Instead, we might do the Kris Kringle thing at Christmas or where you pull a name out of the hat and whatever.
And that's probably been a way to save money while also keeping everyone happy. It doesn't really... fit the situation you're in right now. But yeah, I think you're kind of halfway between. And yeah. Yeah, definitely. You still have your own money, right? Like you have basically the way I think about is you have your discretionary money that you can do what you want with your money.
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