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Ep. 288 Active Surveillance for Intermediate Risk Prostate Cancer with Dr. Claire de la Calle

03 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is active surveillance and when is it appropriate for intermediate-risk prostate cancer patients?

4.672 - 6.856 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

This week on the Backtable podcast.

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7.036 - 10.001 Dr. Claire de la Calle

PSA density is, I think, a very important biomarker.

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Chapter 2: What current evidence supports active surveillance for intermediate-risk prostate cancer?

10.102 - 25.549 Dr. Claire de la Calle

Going back to just PSA, PSA is actually the only biomarker that's really approved by guidelines for active surveillance monitoring. And PSA density is an important factor in many, many studies, active surveillance studies. It's been associated with progression of

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Chapter 3: What criteria should be considered for patient selection in active surveillance?

25.529 - 43.92 Dr. Claire de la Calle

On surveillance, usually the cutoff of 0.15 is used, but other cutoffs have been studied as well. In grade group 2 patients specifically, studies have shown that those patients, if they have a high PSA density, they're more likely to have adverse pathology at radical prostatectomy. So I definitely take into account. PSA density when counseling patients.

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43.94 - 57.681 Dr. Claire de la Calle

Now, I don't necessarily use it as a complete exclusion criteria. I'm sure we all have a few patients with high PSA density, but I will definitely wonder, is there more volume of tumor that's not really well sampled? So do I need to repeat an early biopsy?

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Chapter 4: How does PSA density influence monitoring protocols for prostate cancer?

58.182 - 60.345 Dr. Claire de la Calle

I will monitor them more closely.

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67.126 - 83.939 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

Hi, everyone. Welcome back to Backtable Urology. Today, I'm really excited to be joined by Dr. Claire de la Calla, who's an assistant professor of urology at the University of Washington. Claire, thanks for joining us. I'm really excited to talk about active surveillance for intermediate-risk prostate cancer.

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Chapter 5: What role do pathology and genomic testing play in active surveillance?

84.36 - 87.025 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

But first, why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself?

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87.005 - 105.553 Dr. Claire de la Calle

Hi, thank you so much for having me. I am an assistant professor at the University of Washington and Fred Hutch Cancer Center. My practice is mostly prostate cancer and some bladder cancer as well. I dedicate 50% of my time to research and all of my research is around active surveillance.

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105.533 - 123.677 Dr. Claire de la Calle

I'm highly interested in working on biomarkers to better identify patients that are good candidates versus not good candidates for active surveillance. And this is a very important topic for intermediate risk patients on active surveillance. So I'm really excited about the conversation we're going to have today.

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123.91 - 137.029 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

Yeah, you know, I think it's really, really relevant because it's becoming a common clinical scenario. We've seen active surveillance evolve from a strategy that initially was reserved really exclusively for patients with low-risk prostate cancer.

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137.61 - 155.517 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

But I'd argue that especially, you know, over time as we've been able to learn from your work and others out there who are looking at risk stratification and more accurate diagnostics, that I think, you know, it is a viable option for select patients who have specifically favorable intermediate risk disease.

156.137 - 176.867 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

And we are seeing a lot of specialty organizations and guidelines actually include recommendations to consider active surveillance in those scenarios. So as we're seeing this sort of paradigm shift, I think I would love to hear more from you about the current evidence that we have out there for active surveillance in patients who have intermediate risk disease.

Chapter 6: What are the future directions and research opportunities in prostate cancer management?

177.202 - 195.03 Dr. Claire de la Calle

Yeah, definitely. I think it's really important to first start by looking at the PROTECT data to understand the long-term outcomes of untreated versus treated localized prostate cancer, especially because PROTECT is one of the few randomized clinical trials that we have in localized prostate cancer management.

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195.45 - 203.563 Dr. Claire de la Calle

And as you all know, the study randomized around 1,600 men, and 24% more or less of those had intermediate-risk disease.

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203.543 - 220.166 Dr. Claire de la Calle

and the patients were randomized to active monitoring or radiation therapy or radical prostatectomy, and at 15 years of follow-up, there's really no difference in all-cause or prostate cancer-specific mortality between all three groups, which is fairly surprising when thinking about cancer.

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Chapter 7: How does patient counseling impact decisions regarding active surveillance?

220.807 - 240.069 Dr. Claire de la Calle

Now, the rates of metastatic disease were significantly higher in the active monitoring group, around 9% versus around 5% for both the radiation and surgery groups, but active monitoring is very different from active surveillance. Active surveillance is, of course, a much more intensive monitoring of the cancer, and I think that's important.

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240.511 - 260.771 Dr. Claire de la Calle

Patients will often ask me about this trial, and that's something I think needs to be stressed. Now, from the active surveillance literature specifically, Dr. Guillaume Plussard and his colleagues published a great systematic review and meta-analysis specifically comparing the outcomes of low-risk active surveillance patients and intermediate-risk active surveillance patients.

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260.831 - 282.66 Dr. Claire de la Calle

And they basically showed that in an unselected intermediate risk group, those patients had greater risk of metastases and a greater risk of prostate cancer-specific mortality. But the key word here is unselected. They focused their analysis then in the subset of patients that only had gray group 2 prostate cancer.

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Chapter 8: What are the key takeaways regarding active surveillance for intermediate-risk prostate cancer?

282.72 - 298.226 Dr. Claire de la Calle

And in that subset, metastasis-free survival was similar when compared with the low-risk patients. So It really means that appropriate patient selection is key when considering active surveillance in an intermediate risk patient.

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298.467 - 315.908 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

Yeah, that's right. And I think that brings me to my next question. You're really well. It's a nice tee up. I wanted to cover a bit about what selection criteria can help us better risk stratify patients within that intermediate category, whether someone is appropriate versus not. But I think there's a lot to cover here.

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315.948 - 324.49 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

So let's start just with tackling a bit about this heterogeneity that we see within favorable intermediate risk disease. Tell me your thoughts there.

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324.47 - 345.482 Dr. Claire de la Calle

Yeah, just like you said, patient selection is so important for intermediate-risk patients. It's more important, I think, than for the low-risk patients because these intermediate-risk patients are more likely to develop metastases and die of prostate cancer. And like you said, it's a very heterogeneous group with a very wide spectrum of disease biology, in fact.

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345.462 - 363.083 Dr. Claire de la Calle

When a patient with intermediate risk walks into my clinic, it could be a patient with indolent disease or lethal disease. Really, every end of the spectrum is represented in this group. And before I even think about selection criteria for active surveillance, I really want to know, first of all, had they had the appropriate workup?

363.063 - 377.798 Dr. Claire de la Calle

And I think it's premature, for example, to consider active surveillance in a newly diagnosed intermediate risk patient if they haven't had an MRI and followed by a targeted biopsy. We know that MRI does lead to less misclassification of prostate cancer.

377.838 - 392.373 Dr. Claire de la Calle

And I also, of course, I would like to have a fairly recent PSA, know what the PSA kinetics are, the PSA density, ideally a thorough review of the pathology, ideally with a GU pathologist. to know what the type of pattern four is, for example.

392.413 - 404.186 Dr. Claire de la Calle

And of course, I also want to know the patient's comorbidities, what their life expectancy might be, their family history and genetic background, and their personal cancer management goals as well.

404.467 - 425.972 Dr. Ruchika Talwar

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think it's a no-brainer. Even a decade ago, when active surveillance wasn't quite as widespread, I shouldn't say it wasn't quite used as widely, we were still considering things like active surveillance or just observation in patients who were sick or patients in whom treating the cancer wasn't within their goals of care.

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