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ROLLUP: Saylor Risk? | Warsh’s New Fed | SpaceX IPO | Coinbase’s Everything Exchange

19 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

4.199 - 11.233 David Hoffman

Bankless Nation, it's time for another weekly roll-up. It is the third week of June, and once again, Ryan Trott Adams is on vacation. Well-deserved.

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Chapter 2: What is causing the divergence between equities and crypto markets?

11.714 - 20.892 David Hoffman

And we got Tom Schmidt. Usually we tap in Hasib, but we have tapped in Hasib like so many times. So we're bringing my BFF back. Tom, welcome back to Bankless.

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20.913 - 25.161 Tom Schmidt

I'm glad I'm the BFF, not Hasib. I've seen him on Bankless too many times, so thanks for having me.

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25.445 - 29.33 David Hoffman

Yeah, I really appreciate you. Tom, you're in New York.

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Chapter 3: What insights did Kevin Warsh share during his first FOMC meeting?

29.35 - 30.672 David Hoffman

Why aren't you at the Knicks parade?

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32.454 - 46.153 Tom Schmidt

You know, I'm gainfully employed, so I felt like it's very difficult to do both that and be at the Knicks parade. But it looked insane. I was like, Fulton Street is completely jammed, full of people. So I'm also happy to just observe it digitally, you know.

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Chapter 4: How did SpaceX achieve a significant market valuation?

46.319 - 61.058 David Hoffman

Yeah, I wake up and do the thing that you shouldn't do, which is I immediately open up my phone, and I pulled open Instagram and looked at stories, and there were all of my friends, like two hours ago, already in Manhattan at like 6.30 in the morning. I'm like, Jesus, what are you guys doing?

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61.519 - 70.571 Tom Schmidt

I don't get it. I'm also, you know, I'm one of those bandwagon Knicks fans, so I can't really cop to being a Knicks fan. I'm just like, I'm here.

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71.052 - 76.351 David Hoffman

Yeah, I'm glad it's happening. The energy in the city is great. I get to write it. We got some news to talk about.

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Chapter 5: What is the significance of Jito's recent performance in the crypto space?

76.431 - 96.887 David Hoffman

Equities are up on the week, but crypto is down. Strategies stretch is trading 15% off par while there's a lot of grave dancing going on on Twitter. We have the new FOMC meeting with the new brand new shiny new Fed chair, Kevin Warsh. He said... While he was getting the job, while he was going through the job interview process, that he's going to cut.

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97.328 - 103.54 David Hoffman

And then once he got the job, it turns out when he just was saying what Trump wanted him to say, now he's got the job, he doesn't have to say that anymore.

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Chapter 6: What updates did Coinbase announce regarding their platform?

103.6 - 123.209 David Hoffman

So now he's saying something else. There was the SpaceX IPO on Friday, and now it's the seventh largest company in the world. And I got a question, why is Jito, the block building software on Solana, up 70% in 30 days? And then also, Coinbase launched 21 new products, all with their system update event. We're going to go through all of this and more.

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123.63 - 128.476 David Hoffman

But first, before we get into today's episode, Tom, I got to talk to our friends and sponsors over at OKEx.

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Chapter 7: How is Anchorage enhancing institutional trading with Hyperliquid?

128.816 - 152.226 David Hoffman

The Intercontinental Exchange, which is the parent company of the New York Stock Exchange, they backed OKEx at a $25 billion valuation with a plan to launch tokenized New York stock exchange stonks and derivatives later this year on OKEx. This is putting just TradFi and DeFi into the same app. Finally, OKEx is trusted by over 120 million global users and is bringing products to the U.S.

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152.266 - 175.482 David Hoffman

market that Wall Street has been talking about for years and OKEx is delivering them. This is the OKEx new money app. It's not just a vision, but it's a roadmap with institutional backing to execute on it. Not an OKEx user yet. If you are not, you can get $500 in Bitcoin through the link in the show notes, unless you are living in New York or Texas. Sorry about that.

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176.022 - 185.237 David Hoffman

All you got to do, go to OKEx, click that link, verify your identity, deposit $100. You get some money, deposit more money, get some more money, trade more money, get more money. all up to $500.

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Chapter 8: What implications does the UK’s social media ban for children have?

185.257 - 206.336 David Hoffman

There's a link in the show notes to get started. Let's just go back to equities. Equity is looking good on the week, still rallying after the Iran war. A peace deal got minted. Bitcoin and crypto followed them shortly, but not anymore. Not yesterday and definitely not today. Bitcoin is now trading back right at the 200-week moving average at $62,600.

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208.137 - 230.978 David Hoffman

I think maybe this is just me, but I think people's eyes are all on Michael Saylor's Stretch product. which was starting to recover after it dipped down to $91 last week, June 5th, and they recovered up to like $96, $97, but it caught all the way down to $82, Tom. This morning, it's trading back up to $87. So far.

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231.458 - 244.57 David Hoffman

So far, almost 20% off of its peg of $100, making people very bearish about the confidence of strategy. I don't know if you pay attention to Stretch. I pay attention to Stretch quite a lot. What do you think about all this?

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244.55 - 261.894 Tom Schmidt

Yeah, I think this is really the first time I think we have strong evidence that sailor and strategy are weighing heavily on the market. People have been saying this for months, like, why is Bitcoin going down? Why is it being underperforming? And people say, oh, well, there's the sailor risk, but the market was not reflecting that.

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262.075 - 277.416 Tom Schmidt

And, you know, it's kind of like, you know, you look at the bonds market, the bond market to determine, you know, sort of confidence in government and credence around government policy. This feels like, you know, the sort of, tariff tantrum equivalent, but for Sailor.

278.257 - 300.687 David Hoffman

There was definitely a dislocation here because we could have been bullish. The equities market, bullish all week. The FOMC hawkishness, we'll talk about that. But what didn't seem to be too bad, crypto was going up. Everything was going up except for Stretch. Stretch never recovered. And it seems to be that it is actually kind of a focal point of the Bitcoin market.

300.867 - 321.182 David Hoffman

And therefore, usually we've seen assets like Hyperliquid, VVV, the revenue generating assets, which have been counter cyclical to Bitcoin. Today, they are cyclical to Bitcoin. Bitcoin is literally dragging everything down. And it seems to be that Bitcoin can't get bullish until this gets resolved.

321.162 - 346.804 Tom Schmidt

Yeah, obviously, Saylor sold a couple of Bitcoin to inoculate the market, quote-unquote. And then, obviously, after the fact, announced that he bought several times more Bitcoin. But I think... It seems like this is always going to be a looming issue. It's a little bit like a, you know, token, like a long dated token vest of this is always going to be this thing dangling over your head.

347.585 - 366.268 Tom Schmidt

And so he needs to find a long term plan for it. I think people discussed, hey, maybe selling a larger amount of Bitcoin now. So you have, you know, a year plus worth of cash to be able to pay dividends. But if anything, I think we're also just an interesting instrument to trade, right? We're coming up. towards the end of the month, when the first event, you know, should be coming out.

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