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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird. It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous. Are we rolling? All right, welcome. Welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous Podcast. Today, I have a guest who is a friend, but sometimes a foe. I guess you could say that. LB, welcome to Barely Famous Podcast. Thank you for having me, Kale.
I have a lot of questions in here. And before we get into the deep stuff, I have a couple just like questions that I want to know. Okay. How did you first get into content creating? Okay, so I first got into it because I always like watched YouTube. Six kids. My youngest was two at the time and my husband worked offshore. So it was a lot of day, 21 days at a time.
I was by myself raising the kids. I just watched a lot of YouTube. And I started watching Teen Mom too because I was a teen mom. Oh. So it came out when I had had my second son. Okay. Well, my second kid, my first son. But I got pregnant at 17, had my daughter at 18. I got pregnant the summer before my senior year.
So I finished my senior year up early, had her, but then I had another kid by the time I was like 21. So the show came out at that time. How old are you? I'm 38. Oh, okay. So you're a little bit older than me, but that's the exact same story as me. Really? I had Lincoln before I was 21. Oh, okay. Or I had just turned 21. So you had your second by the time you were 21 too. Yeah, 17 and 21.
But you got pregnant at 16, had Elliot at 17, right? Yep. So I got pregnant at 17, had mine at 18. Okay. So I had her a month after I turned 18. So it was pretty close. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But hurried up and finished out my senior year. Had plans to go to college, didn't work out, whatever.
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Chapter 2: How did Elle Bee get started in content creation?
Had to raise my baby, you know, because her dad,
you know he was doing his thing so um yeah when the show came on and i saw like the trailer for it or whatever i was like oh my gosh this looks so good like i know this is going to resonate with me and it did so love the show and then whenever i started watching a lot of youtube i was like you know what i could do that like i could i could sit in front i can talk to anybody okay so i was like i can sit in front of my phone and i can talk and i'll put it up so i did and the first video that i did on janelle and david
I woke up, like, uploaded it at, like, midnight, woke up the next day, and it had, like, it was, like, 1,300 views, which is nothing now. But then it was for me, for somebody that, like, like, I was doing like little makeup things before that because I like makeup too. Not that I'm like great at it, but I liked it. And it would get like 60 views, 30 views, whatever.
But I woke up the next morning and it had like 1,300 views and I had gained like 200 subscribers. And I was like, this is the lane I need to stay in clearly is talking about like reality TV team mom, you know? Yeah. So... I like ran in there, like told my kids, I was like, oh, my God, like my video got like 1300 views. And they were like, what? No way. So I just kept doing it.
And six years later, I have like my own studio, like me and my husband are in this together. And he does it with you. Yeah, he does it with me. I mean, he don't go on camera, but he does all my back end stuff. Yeah, it's so funny.
When I did Trisha Paytas, we went to her house and her studio and her husband is everything, you know, so like, if you can, my thing is like, if I can employ my husband, like, why not? But so when your first video, I'm assuming, was like sort of talking shit about Janelle or was like a recap of some sort? It was kind of... So Janelle, her kids had been taken.
CPS had taken her kids and they were fighting to get custody back of her kids. Okay. And so, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just me like kind of, yeah, let's talk on crap, I guess you could say. Me being nosy, what was your husband's reaction to that video? Because there are a ton of creators that say a lot of things and could potentially get themselves in trouble. And I always think...
what does your husband think of this so my husband is super proud of me he he's like i mean he's always like he's just super proud of me but i mean he worries sometimes I feel like if I was ever sued, they wouldn't win because, you know, first off, I don't state things as fact and I don't state it as a fact and then say, but it's my opinion because I know that don't fly.
No, I've seen way too many people sued. So I know that I have to be very careful, you know, like and you can say it's my opinion. But if you state it as a fact first. that's where it matters. And I know creators that do that. They'll be like, oh, well, they, this did happen in my opinion. So they're just throwing that in there, but you've already said it as a fact.
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Chapter 3: What ethical dilemmas arise in reality TV commentary?
That's O P O S I T I V.com slash famous for 25% off. What is the beef between creators? Like, I know that there is now that tea pages and gossip pages are, like, bigger over the last several years. Like, what is the beef when you guys are sort of reporting on the same shows or the same, you know, reality stars? Is it the difference of opinions?
I think it's jealousy and difference of opinions, yes. Jealousy of what, though? A bigger following. Like, oh, if I'm covering the same thing. I know that's what it was for me in the beginning, which it didn't make sense to me because I'm like, if I'm going to be interested in something, if I want to watch a video about... I don't know.
I'll watch 10 videos about the same thing just to get different opinions or more information. So I always thought like, oh, when I came on the scene, Kel, though, when I came on the scene in 2019, there was literally like four pages on YouTube that covered Teen Mom. No, that's literally what I was about to say. It feels like now with like...
I would say probably around the time that COVID hit and TikTok really took off is where the T pages took off. Because there was a little bit before that. But it's been a wild, wild fucking west for the past at least five years. And I just never... Like, I knew people watched Teen Mom. And I am not a Reddit user. I have always stayed off Reddit. I do not get on Reddit.
I don't... Like, that's always been, like... the T page really? Like you go there and you hate the fuck out of it. And Reddit is ruthless. No, why are they like that? Because I think because nobody knows who they are.
You know, like nobody's going to get on a TikTok live and say some of the horrific things that they will say on Reddit where nobody knows who they are because they can't lose their job. Nobody's going to hold them accountable for it. So that's where you go when you really want to rip somebody to shreds because nobody's going to, They're not going to know that it's you that said it.
So you can go there and say whatever. I don't know how to use Reddit. I don't know that much either. My stomach's growling. I'm so sorry. I stay off of that. I don't get on there. But the T pages now, I mean, some of them are kind of ruthless. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I feel like there are some fair creators out there.
who will talk about reality TV people or the shows and they're more neutral and they kind of just recap and they're just like, they might throw in like a witty opinion here and there. And there are other creators who make it so fucking personal, like it personally affects them.
They act like they're personally affected by some of my decisions or some of the Real Housewives decisions or whoever else, the Kardashians, like they are so emotionally invested and that feels really weird to me. Oh, I would imagine from your standpoint, it probably is really weird to have somebody care that much about your life that seems just so mad about it. Like it's one thing to cover.
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Chapter 4: How do tea pages source their information?
Like a whole video about, you know, Caitlin looking a certain way on a podcast. And I'm like, that's a little too much for me. Like, you know, like, who cares how she looks? And two, I'm like... Coming from women, we shouldn't do that.
We shouldn't talk about how a woman sitting on a podcast looking, especially if you have children, because you're literally teaching your children to bully other people. So I can understand getting passionate about some things. Some things, I don't get it. And I don't know. And to me, because it's mean girl. It's just like a mean girl attitude. Do creators ever...
come together to help each other in any way? Yeah. Cause I know, you know, Ray and I had Ray on the podcast and like you, I know you guys are, would you say friends? Yeah. We're friends. I'm friends with Ray. Yeah. So how does that sort of impact? Because you guys are sort of covering the same things.
And what happens if you guys have a differing opinion, you guys are friends, you have the same profession, but then maybe Ray's like, what the fuck is Kale thinking? And you're trying to give me the benefit of the doubt. I'm just using myself as an example. Cause I don't want to call anybody else out, but. Would that cause a rift between you guys? Or you don't really care?
You kind of just let it be what it is? No. So, okay, with me and Ray, like, we do have a different opinion about some things. We don't really talk about them very much. Like, I'll tell her, like, oh, this is why. And she's like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. And then she'll tell me. And I'm like, okay, yeah, that makes sense to me, too.
I mean, and, too, in talking about our different opinions, we've actually, like, seen each other's side a little bit more, too. But there's some people... And that's how the drama kind of started with her. Because me, I was cool with this other creator. Knowing that we had different opinions about... That person? Yes. I knew we had different opinions. Like she came on my channel and it was fine.
And there was even while she was on my channel, somebody said like, oh, y'all's next live. Y'all should talk about these people. And I said, oh, that would be interesting because we have different opinions. So I thought and I think I might have even said it like I can tell you why I feel the way that I feel. You can tell me why you feel the way that you feel.
And, you know, maybe we can understand each other's points a little bit more. So I literally was like, oh, that's what we'll have to do next. Next time I bring this person on. We got off and we talked on the phone and we were still cool.
And I watched her content, but then I would see content where the person that I... The people that she has such an issue with, she was dragging creators that didn't have the same opinion. She was dragging creators. It was like, oh, if y'all want to kiss their butt, if y'all... And I'm like, first off, in our...
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Chapter 5: What impact does negativity have on audiences?
They will lead you down the wrong path. That was kind of crazy stuff. So like, just because it's your chat, like, appreciate them for being your people. But people just repeat stuff that they've seen somewhere they've heard. They just repeat stuff. So I did do a video about that. But I made it abundantly clear like this is no hate towards that creator. I'm not...
I just wanted to do this video to clarify. Right. Because the video was basically saying that this person did drugs and it lost custody of their kid. And that was never the fact. This person has never done drugs. So and it never lost custody of her kid. You can't spread misinformation like that, though.
Those are really crazy allegations to accuse somebody of if there is hard proof that that didn't happen. Right. There's never been anything. This person's been on Teen Mom. I've never heard a rumor until then. But yes, somebody like left a comment on Mishy's page like, oh, lost custody of her first son. You know what? I actually did hear that. That's not true, though. Oh, yeah.
She never lost custody of her first son. Aside from Teen Mom, but not not excluding Teen Mom. What reality TV scenes or people live rent free in your head, if any? Well, I mean, I can say, like, my Mama June stuff does really good. I would say, like, Lives Rent Free because it's my job. I mean, you know. Yeah, yeah. I forgot about her. Do you cover Mama June? Yeah, yeah, I cover Mama June.
Did you cover when I, like, we had the beef on TikTok? I don't know. Bring me up to speed. I don't know because I don't remember it. When was that? Because I've covered her for several years. Maybe, like, last summer. Then I'm sure I did. What happened? I don't remember. I like called Mama June out for something and it went viral. And then she responded.
You made us talk about her taking Honey Boo Boo's money. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I did cover that. Yes, I absolutely did. Yep. Have you ever covered taking her kid's money? No, but I just thought about that the other day. Okay, well, so many people was like, well, what about her money from MTV? And I was like, I hadn't thought about that. And I was like, well, maybe it's in a Cougar account.
But if not, I don't know. It's not. Because I was like wholeheartedly defending. I'm like, because this girl's getting so much hate. And I was like, y'all, like, it's not her fault. Well, I did do a video and I said, y'all, if she doesn't have the money, it's not her fault. It's going to be her fault.
You know, I said, so at the end of the day, if you are going to direct anything about the situation... Don't shade. Because if she doesn't have the money for it, that's not her fault. She probably don't even know she had money. Okay. So, no. I've never covered that. Just thought about it recently. Okay. So, once you have a kid, I've heard that you get like a bonus for her. Not true. Okay.
But then they have to start paying the kid. Where did that come from? I don't know. But they say that. That's literally like a thing. So, if you have a child on the show, the child has to get paid. The parent does not. So... If the child appears in the show, you have to start they have to start an account and they put money into it for the season or whatever.
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Chapter 6: How does misinformation affect reality TV stars?
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I don't believe it was a Coogan account, but it was like... Because Coogan isn't in all states. No. But I think custodial is. Custodial. So that was... The plan was supposed to be that. Now... MTV physically, like somebody, a representative from MTV physically went with me to the bank to do Elliot's when he was born. Is that required? Like we have to go with you to set it up?
I don't want to speak for anybody else. That was my, that's what happened to me is that they physically went with me. We set up the account and with that account that we set up, I could deposit more money into it, but I could never take money out. The way that it was set up, I could not withdraw money from it. Okay.
story about fast forward I think like four years later I accident I was going to the bank uh MacArthur Road in Whitehall Pennsylvania I went to go deposit my work track because I worked all the way up until I had Lincoln went to go deposit my check and I deposited it into now mind you I wasn't I didn't have Lincoln yet so I'm a young mom right and I have to pay rent it was my first house not my apartment but my first like um like duplex house like a townhouse
My rent was $1,200. I accidentally deposited that $1,200 into Elliot's account. That you could not get out. That I could not get out. You're welcome, Elliot. Just another payment for my baby. I was so scared and terrified because I was like, how the fuck am I going to pay my rent at that time? You know what I mean?
And after taxes at the time, I think the first season of Teen Mom, we made $10,000 before taxes. And so I think this was probably season two. two, three, something like that. It was very early on. So after taxes, I wasn't making a whole lot and I still had to work full time. So I couldn't get it out. Y'all were still like struggling pretty much. Yeah.
So like, like I definitely knew I could pay my bills, but like whatever extra money I had was to be determined. Right.
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Chapter 7: What are the challenges of being a reality TV creator?
Well, what's so crazy, what everybody focused on is the fact that Mama June stole Honey Boo Boo's money. She actually stole all her kids' money from Honey Boo Boo because they all got paid. Like, Pumpkin got paid. Jessica got paid. Anna, her daughter that passed away, got paid. And when Anna had her daughter, her daughter got paid, Caitlin.
And so it wasn't just Honey Boo Boo that she stole the money from, which, yes, Honey Boo Boo probably got paid more because... So was it, like, when you say stole... Because it didn't go into an account that they had access to and she was able to access it? Or like... Well, she didn't have a Coogan account for years from my understanding. Honey Boo Boo, I don't think she had a Coogan account.
When they started the Mama June show, yes, when they started the Mama June show, they finally opened up the Coogan account for her, but she only put like 20% in. Because where they live, I don't think you have to do Coogan accounts, but she did Dancing with the Stars, which was filmed in Los Angeles or something. So where she filmed that, they were like, you have to have a Coogan account.
So there was just two, Dancing with the Stars, and there was one other thing that she did. The Masked Singer. The Masked Singer. So just money from those two projects went into the Google account. Because it was in LA. Yes. California requires you to pay your children. So that's why. Yeah. And I mean, really, Honey Boo Boo should be worth millions. I mean, she had the Honey Boo Boo box.
I mean, she had all kind of stuff. What is the Honey Boo Boo box? She had the subscription box. The downside of that is like, it's not worth, unless you're suing out of principle, which I do. Yeah. Yeah. It's not worth the funds. Like she, her suing her mom would get her nothing if her mom has no money. Right. So that's what's so fucked up about it.
And like, whatever, like, I don't know what their relationship is, but it's like, that sucks. I couldn't imagine my, you know, my kids growing up on TV and having this like weird life because I did this and then they have nothing to show for it. You know, like that's. And too, when she's like, I need to go to college and I need money, mom. And her mom's like, well, sorry for you. Work like that.
Literally on the show. And now maybe this could be fake. I don't know. But on the show, when she went to her mom and she was like, I have to have this much money. To go to college. And it has to be turned in at this point. Her mom's like, well, we just can't hand everything to you. You've got to figure it out. And I'm like... Hand everything to you? Honey Boo Boo handed it to you.
And that's what Honey Boo Boo ended up saying. She said, I'm not asking for you to give me anything of yours. I want what was mine. And I'm like, how does Mama Drew not see this? Is this fake? Is she really not getting... Is she not computing what she did? Do they still have a show now? Yes. So... in theory she could sue her mom and get something cause she would get all those funds.
She literally like, um, I had her on the podcast after all of this and I think she was like gonna let it be gone. Like let it just water under the bridge. Well June did pay her like $30,000. That's not enough. No, it's nothing. That's not enough. It's nothing. I think they settled on that though. Like what they settled on, I can tell you is, so when she did the Masked Singer and, um,
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Chapter 8: What is the significance of financial literacy for reality TV stars?
I mean, I'm trying to put myself in that position. I have an 18 year old son and I'm like, okay, if his girlfriend ended up pregnant, I still feel like I would allow her the opportunity to go tell her mom. And then I would be like, when you tell her, I'm going to need your mom to call. Right. We got to figure things out. 1000%. If she already knew and I had a conversation with her. Yeah.
Different story. Yeah. But yeah, I don't think I would call. I don't think I would call her mom and be like, oh, so she's pregnant. We're going to be grandparents. I think I would be like, you've got to go tell her this. And when you do, let me know. And when you do, let me know. Yeah. And especially if she was an alcoholic, you know, yeah, I'd probably be like, she'll find out later.
She'll find out when she finds out. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know how we got on that subject, but I was going to talk about Gypsy Rose, but we can talk about Gypsy Rose. Why do you think she's so fascinating to the people? Oh, God. Are you still fascinated or do you not like her? Are you a fan? Are you not a fan? I don't like her. You don't? No, I don't like her, but I'm fascinated by her.
I mean, I literally last night was working on editing a video and I think I uploaded it like midnight, a video about Gypsy Rose. I think she's so fascinating because everybody believed her story. And even if you believe it or not, whatever. It's like, oh, this girl that was forced into a wheelchair or played the part. Like, who the heck plays a part of staying in a wheelchair for that long?
For 20 years? Can we just, like, dissect that a little bit? Yeah. Because I still, to this day, am not really understanding what parts of her story are true versus what's false. Because that... I'm having a hard time with that, with just what's true, what's false, what people are so up in arms about.
If you could kindly break down for me what it is that's true and false, because again, and I've said this on social media, but I went off of, I'm not a journalist, I'm an interviewer, and I went off of the documentaries and the book that was available to me at that time. I did not go digging into court records. That's not what I do. They weren't available anyways. They weren't.
They were not available. And even if they were, that's not really, I guess moving forward, if I were to ever have that type of guest on again, I would do it now that I know. But at the time, I mean, we're talking about the documentaries, the shows and the book that were out. She told me on the podcast that she knew she could walk. She said that on the podcast. So like, what are we upset about?
Okay, so the last, basically she, even I have a video of her or a recording of her when she was on TikTok the other day where she said she was not a part of the con, that it was strictly her mom, and that her mom was just like an effed up human being, right? That she is like innocent and all of this. But she was 23 or 24 when she got arrested. You're not 24 sitting in a wheelchair saying,
I mean, being forced to. You could leave. You know what I'm saying? Like, you could leave. But the narrative was that her mom was just this horrible person who had Munchausen by proxy and enforced all these things, enforced unnecessary surgeries that she didn't need, which is not true. What? Yeah. No, she needed the surgeries.
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