Chapter 1: What led to the controversy surrounding Mark DeRosa?
Play Tessie isn't boring, aka boring isn't baseball isn't play Tessie. We are back to talk all things Mark DeRosa. It's the biggest story in the game. Doesn't matter what has happened since then. The fact that a USA manager could, and I don't even know how to, I think, put this in words appropriately to justify how crazy it is.
To say what he said on MLB Network, to not know that USA, if they lost to Italy, would risk getting eliminated and put their fate in the hands of Italy versus Mexico. And I can play the audio and we can get our take on it. But actually, give me your take first and I'll pull up the audio because it's going to take me a second.
Well, my take is that how many jobs at a high level in baseball, I'm talking Major League Baseball, WBC, KBO, NPB, these high, high-level leagues, how many jobs are easier than being the manager of this Team USA? It is an all-star team, up and down, everywhere you look, superstars, and still...
Chapter 2: How did Mark DeRosa's comments impact Team USA's performance?
He managed to find a way to screw it up. That is, like, regardless of how the rest of the tournament goes, I feel like this screw-up is what's going to be remembered most. Team USA could sweep the entire thing, and who knows? This is what everyone's going to remember.
So if you've been living under a rock, I'll play the audio of what Mark DeRosa said on MLB Network, and basically the synopsis here is that he didn't know that they needed to win that game, otherwise they put their fate in the hands of other teams, and then he'll say, he says, and we'll get into it, but he says that
When the game started, he knew that they needed to win the game, but he didn't necessarily manage it like he knew he needed to win the game. The lineup he put out there wasn't necessarily a lineup that showed, yeah, we know we need to win this game. But here was his interview on MLB Network on Hot Stove with Matt Vesgersian and Harold Reynolds. the morning of the game against Italy.
Nine bodies ready to roll today, I would imagine. Absolutely. I'm going to look at it. I'm going to get some guys off their feet, no question about it. I'd like to get Goldie to start. He has been awesome, just a leader of men behind the scenes with Aaron Judge. I'd like to get him in there. I'd like to get Gunnar in there again. A ton of respect for Italy. It's weird.
We want to win this game, even though our tickets punch to the quarterfinals because...
mexico plays italy actually tomorrow so this the way the way the schedule lines up this is an important game for us nolan mclean will start he's on the bump and he's good to go he's an absolute beast and i expect him to throw the heck out of it it makes it we're all usa guys but it makes it really hard to like this team like the way Just the way he lied. He lied, right? I'm not crazy.
I feel like he lied, saying that he knew. How do you listen to that and then think, yeah, yeah, he knew how the scoring worked? It's just, there's nothing to like about this. It's embarrassing. I'm sure he's embarrassed. I'm sure Mark DeRosa's embarrassed, but my God, I have secondhand embarrassment.
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Chapter 3: What were the implications of DeRosa's lineup decisions?
I was cringing while that recording was playing. It's just, it's gross. Yeah, so my thing is, first off, Mark DeRosa has, I would legitimately argue, the easiest job in all of baseball. So, Gordo, do you want to play this clip and I'll continue? You know, keep going and then I'll play it after.
So, my thing is, when you're prepping for the WBC as the manager and you are not affiliated with any other team, you are currently under no other obligation aside from Team USA in your TV job. How are you not well refined in the tournament rules when your only job is to just make a batting lineup of all stars?
Like there are so few things that he has to worry about as a manager compared to MLB and some of these other countries. How are you not well versed in the tiebreaker, the implications of each game, everything like that? So for him to go out there and basically go in depth about how certain he is that they've clinched, it's insane.
And then the other part of this is you could blame, I wouldn't, but like Harold and Matt Baskersian for not correcting him. My eyes immediately go to, and I have the list up right here. My eyes immediately go to Andy Pettit, Matt Holliday, George Lombardi, Gonzalez, David Ross, Brian McCann, and Michael Young. Those are all the guys. How about Aaron? Yeah, Aaron Judge, too. The captain. Yes.
But me, the reason I highlight those specific guys, I intentionally left out – Dino Ebel and Skip Schumacher because these guys are not affiliated with any other team on a coaching. It's not like they're leaving their team like the players are. This group of coaches here, their lone priority and obligation is to help coach and manage Team USA. How did... Mark DeRosa not know this.
How did any name I just listed on the coaching staff not correct him or also know? The whole thing is unbelievably poor. Well, that's the thing. They will tell you, and Mark DeRosa has them. We'll get to all that. But they will tell you,
that they did know but then it makes it and i'll play this clip in a second but it's like not only did he like there's there's believing that you've advanced but it's also it changes the way you prepare for the game it changes the way you operate the night before like here's this clip right here of mark derosa talking about what he and the players were doing the night before i mean that not only that ended up on the bus that ended up back at the hotel there was
There's some guys dragging today. So basically guys were, were basically out drinking. Maybe, maybe it was in the clubhouse.
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Chapter 4: How did the podcast hosts react to DeRosa's statements?
Maybe it's not like they were like clubbing or anything, but they were, they were drinking beers and doing whatever until 1am. When you've got a game tomorrow that you got to win. Now you tell me if, if, if you were a fan of like, let's say like for us, it's the Red Sox. Like, let's say the Red Sox are in the playoffs and they, yeah, you're up three to two in the series.
You're feeling pretty good about yourselves, but you're not staying up till 1am the night before drinking beers and shooting the shit. No, like you're getting ready to play the game. Yeah, and my first thought was, well, what's worse? If you knew or if you didn't know? Because if you knew, what the hell are you doing?
You're letting your guys go out and party the night before a game that you have to win? You gotta win that game or else you're in danger of being eliminated. And either way, no matter how you slice it, it's lying, it's not being prepared, And the thing I think is ironic in a dark way is we spoke about this on Play Tessie.
I was saying I want Team USA to celebrate more, be more like DR, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, the crowd in Japan, like be more lively like that. And a lot of people said, oh, I don't like that. It's disrespectful to the game. This, what Mark DeRosa and Team USA, not knowing the format, taking this tournament like it's a joke, that's disrespectful to the game because this tournament means something.
You see those other teams, you think they don't know where they stand with tiebreakers and all that? I guarantee you they know. There's no excuse for this, and it's so embarrassing, especially for a guy like DeRosa who claims to want to become a big league manager in the future. Good luck with that now, buddy. My other thing too is, and Sammy, you alluded to it.
I don't know what actually would be worse. If he didn't know the rules of the tiebreaker or he did know. Because if he did know, he trotted out basically their B lineup in a game where they needed to win or score as many runs as possible. And they overlooked Italy, who was having a very good tournament.
Are you just so blindly naive that you believe that you can win against Italy with not putting your best foot forward? I don't think that's the case. I truly believe that he just did not know the rules of the tiebreaker. But...
If it is the other, and he knew how important the game was, and he thought that he could coast by Italy, gamble that game, that is arguably worse than not knowing the rules. Yeah, that's the thing. There's really no dancing out of it. Like, either... It's negligent either which way because let's say he does know the rules.
Then it's just thinking you can roll out of bed without sleep, like hungover maybe in some cases, and beat some of these teams because, oh, like half their lineup is bums. But like, oh, they've only got like Pasquantino and Jack, whatever. Like it doesn't matter. Like Italy at that point was 2-0 and they looked good. And honestly, it doesn't really matter. Like it could be Team Brazil.
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Chapter 5: What mistakes did DeRosa make regarding tournament rules?
He then said guys are dragging, said they'd been out late. They commit multiple errors in a brutal three-run six. They were kicking the ball around. They were throwing. Guys were scoring on pass balls. It looked bad. And then you talk about the lineup, Pat. You're talking about the B lineup. Paul Goldschmidt against a right-handed pitcher instead of Bryce Harper. Ernie Clement over Bryce Terang.
Cal Rowley never got in the game. Didn't pinch hit, nothing. He made the in-game moves. He did the in-game interview with Ken Rosenthal, and he said, we want to get Ryan Yarbrough some length. That's not something you say in a game that you need to win. That's a game that you're punting. That's a punting move. Even any game. WBC, Major League Baseball, whatever.
Ryan Yarbrough is not the guy that you want carrying you in a game that you might need to win. The other thing too, Gordo, is if you go back and actually track the non-moves of that game, you could realistically say that he did not know the playoff implications until the 7th or 8th inning. Okay, that was my question, Pat.
I was going to ask you, if you don't believe him, when do you think he figured out that they were in trouble? I don't know, dude. Because if you go back and look, if he knew, if he says he knew like he says he does... Paul Goldschmidt got on base when they desperately needed runs, and he did not pinch run for Paul Goldschmidt.
And he had Clayton Kershaw warming up when they were trying to limit damage. Pat, that Goldschmidt non-pinch run, seventh inning. That Clayton Kershaw warming up, eighth inning. Eighth inning, I know. That's what I'm saying. It's the whole game. Someone got in his ear very late in that game. It was like, hey, just a heads up. We need runs badly. Who do you think it was?
Like, oh, imagine that conversation. Like, Mark, we're not advanced. We're not through to the next round. You've got to win the game. And he's like, good one, buddy. Little Billy, the analyst. What are you talking about? Do you think it's like the GM, like, calling the bullpen phone? And he's like, hey, pal, figure, like, what?
I want to know what happened in the clubhouse and or dugout and what his reaction was. Like, I wish, I wish, like, today there was a video of, of like a zoomed in dugout shot and it's just him white as a ghost realizing what the implications are of this game telling Kershaw, sit down, sit down, you're not coming in the game. Miller, Miller, get Mason Miller up.
Mason Miller's like hung over with a puke bag in the bullpen. That's the other crazy thing. It's like you've got bases loaded and runs allowed is the tiebreaker here. So you've got to strand those guys on base. You have to. And it's like Clayton Kershaw's stretching and Mason Miller, who pitched later, so obviously he was available, wasn't warming up. He's hungover, dude.
He was out late the night before with Mr. Fun Guy Mark DeRosa. After the game, obviously the DeRosa interview on MLB Network was making the rounds during the game in real time, which is what made the story just that much more captivating. So obviously, one of the first questions, if not the first question, to Mark DeRosa after the game was if he knew.
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Chapter 6: How did the team's preparation affect their performance?
Is that true? Yeah, I misspoke. I was on hot stove with a couple buddies today and completely misread the calculations. We knew that Mexico was going to play Italy and then run in all the numbers if we lost tonight with the runs allowed and runs scored and outs. So I just misspoke. So it confused me a little bit because he says I misspoke, but then he said he misread the calculations, right?
Today, later on, he amended it and basically his stance. I've been turning down interviews all week. Kodakopi reached out, Oprah, George Stephanopoulos. So I said, no, I was booked on the Deitch podcast before the Taylor Swift phenomenon. I must live up to my responsibility. Listen, wherever you get your podcasts. I knew the whole time, even on MLB network, I just misspoke, which to me,
You sure as shit didn't just miss... You don't say you punched... If the Red Sox were in a playoff series and they hadn't won it, I would never mistakenly say they punched their ticket to the next round. It's impossible. No, yeah. It's not a misspeak. I feel like if he... Again, we already spoke about it. That also makes it worse.
It's a lie, but if it were true, it makes it worse, and this is what I'm talking about. This is so disrespectful to baseball, to baseball fans. You're representing America, and you're lying in front of the faces of the entire baseball community. It's embarrassing. I feel embarrassed. I have no affiliation with this team.
I feel embarrassed being from here, having this guy represent us and say this crap and act like everyone who's listening is an idiot. Nobody's falling for it.
there's something overly infuriating about the way he's like yeah it was on the hot stove with a couple of the boys like there's just something about the way he says that that's infuriating because it almost comes off like he's like dismissing it he's like yeah he's like yeah I was just shooting the shit with the fellas and I slept up my bad no you full I don't care what he says with all of his heart at that very moment game day
he thought that they were onto the next round. What would you guys have said in his spot after the game? That's what I was just about, about to ask you guys. It's like, first of all, what do you think the truth is? Like to me, I think he found out either at the very end of the game or after the game. And so what would I have said if I were him?
I mean, I think the only way to get grace from people in these situations is to tell the truth and express remorse for it. Because people smell BS so easily, especially in this era where people oftentimes don't even need to think for themselves because they have people that they trust at their fingertips on social media to tell them the truth.
Guys will make breakdown videos of everything and explain why it's crap. And, and I don't, I, the consumer, anyone, the consumer doesn't have to put it together themselves. The people that know best will do it. And then that influences opinion. So the, really the only way to dance out of it, really, really, there is no way to dance out of it.
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Chapter 7: What are the criticisms of DeRosa's management style?
Um, for the second part, in terms of how you approach it, Gordon, you kind of said it, it's people know bullshit. And when it gets to that, like it's, he can go up there and say, I misspoke. I did this. I did that. We knew blah, blah, blah. But like when you, there are so many actions that are the precursor to what you say in that moment that say otherwise, um,
You really... I would say you don't have any other option, but he clearly did because he did note up to it. You just say, listen... I was wrong on the math. I was convinced that we were good to go. That is on me as the manager moving forward. But like, you have to own up to it, profess that you messed up, ask for forgiveness, basically, you know, just say, I'll be better.
I now know whatever it is. The more you dance around it without just blatantly saying, you know what? I messed up. That's on me. Don't blame the guys, whatever. That's how you have to do it. And what he did is just, oh, I was talking with the guys and I misspoke. I knew. Believe me, guys. I knew. I knew. There's just so much that happened during the game and leading up to it that says otherwise.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like the approach that he takes here is the approach a lot of people take, which is technically we can't know for sure.
Like, I guess there is a possibility that he just misspoke and just thought it was time to plague Paul Goldschmidt and, you know, thought it, you know, I guess to get through this game innings wise with the pitchers we have, like Ryan Yarbrough is the guy and. I guess there's forever uncertainty because we don't technically know for sure.
But I feel pretty confident in this in the sense that him expressing a different reality of what could have happened, it doesn't make me doubt what actually happened. So in the end, it just makes me look at it worse because now not only did you mess it up, but you lied about it. Do you think that if he had not said guys went out the night before and he had not said the ticket punch thing,
And he had just said, like, oh, everyone has to play in the tournament, whether you're the best guy or the last guy on the bench. Like, it's still spring training time, and I have to make sure guys are getting reps while also taking this seriously. Like, I'm trying to think of a way to lie out of it, which is not a good exercise, but I think that's the only way. And even that, I'm like, really?
Well, yeah, Sammy, like the right there, that's, that's why it's like an either or like you're screwed either which way, because if that's what happened, then I, then it's a, it's a completely different gripe. Now it's, you look at the Dominican Republic and Venezuela, they're, they're both three and O in the tournament.
They've both actually have punched their ticket to the next round and they're playing each other in a game that it's not necessarily meaningless because it matters for seating, but you watch that game and the environment, not just from the fans, but from the players, like it, Like they're going berserk for every little thing, even though their ticket is punched.
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Chapter 8: Why is Mark DeRosa considered an unsuitable manager for Team USA?
Everything. It's all lies. And you know what? I would have been okay with him pitching had they already punched their ticket. It's like, okay, they've moved on. if they're on to the next round, I don't care. Like, yes, get him in the game. And maybe that was the logic, man, is they thought that they were moved on. Can you believe this? Also, why is Mark DeRosa managing the team?
This goes along the lines of taking this seriously. Every other team has a guy who's been managing at some high level, whether it's a big league, Dusty Baker for Team Nicaragua, or you have Albert Pujols, who's actually trying to become a big league manager who's been putting in the work in different leagues. Like, I know Mark DeRosa was a good player. Why is he managing the team?
There's nobody else. Why? Okay, so I'm glad you brought that up because I was getting heated with some of my friends last night talking about this. In a world where you have Bruce Bochy, we'll say Jim Leland, Joe Maddon, like plenty of experienced guys who could handle like a one-off tournament. And you have DeRosa. Sure. Like those three own echelon, all the success, whatever.
There are two guys on the staff. Who have been managers. Skip Schumacher is on the staff. He's the active manager of the Texas Rangers. David Ross. David Ross. It was just the Cubs manager. He had success in Chicago. That's who should manage it. That's it. That's it right there, Pat. But you have two guys on the staff who are more equipped to manage than Mark DeRosa. Why is Mark DeRosa managing?
To me, I think there's a lot of prep work that goes into this. So I understand why if you're currently working for a team, how being the manager, the guy who has to help recruit the roster, why that takes a lot. But you said it right there. I mean, David Ross, look no further. I feel like it's very minimal prep work for this. You have to read the tiebreaker rules. I'm sorry.
I'm not talking about preparing for the games. I'm talking about assembling the team. DeRosa's working the phones trying to recruit these guys and take their situation. These guys aren't just yes or no on the phone. It's not necessarily hard work, but it takes time. If you're a big league manager... He's got to be a publicist. He's like a Team USA publicist for a month.
Like, hey, man, you're really going to want to hear about this. We're going to represent the United States this year. There are some like the three I just mentioned, Bochy, Lela, whoever else. Those are like the pie in the sky guys. If you go around Major League Baseball, though, you know how many quality bench coaches would be great? Sure. Like David Ross is out there. Don Mattingly. Perfect.
Perfect pick. I'm not even talking about you go get Terry Francona. That's not what I'm saying at all. There's so many people more equipped and qualified than Mark freaking DeRosa. Yeah. I mean, to me, you say the David Ross thing, and it's like you've got a guy. For a team like this, it's got to be a player's manager. You're not being a hard ass on the best players in the world.
And to me, ideally, he doesn't have an obligation to a current team. And David Ross checks both those boxes, and he's got managing experience. He knows how to manage a game. Whereas Mark DeRosa, I wish I could credit where he said it. It probably was on MLB Network, to be honest with you. But he was saying something about like how his prep was like watching games on TV and managing them.
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