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Baseball Isn’t Boring

Julian And Bradfo Are Ranting About ABS

01 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the ABS system in baseball and why is it controversial?

0.031 - 17.998 Rob Bradford

There's nobody who looks better, whose brand is hotter, who should feel better about themselves than Julie McWilliams, which is coincidentally the person who I'm about to say, there is nobody on the planet that I would like to talk to more than Julie McWilliams.

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18.759 - 38.079 Julian McWilliams

Man, I appreciate that. It's great that baseball's back in its original form. It's great that we're here. It's great that we have a season in front of us. It's great that Kenley Jansen's going to get 500 saves. I'm watching out for that. He's good, man. He's good. Yeah, he's going to get it this year.

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38.259 - 39.941 Rob Bradford

Our own Courtney Finnegan caught up with him.

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40.381 - 45.066 Julian McWilliams

I saw. I saw. I saw. Yeah. He never looked happier.

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47.188 - 67.668 Rob Bradford

I said to her, I said, how many times did he say, baseball isn't boring, baby? She said three. And I said, well, he's contractually obligated to do it since he's our chief marketing officer. He doesn't market much, but that's okay.

67.688 - 79.534 Julian McWilliams

I'll tell you what. Your marketing is so hot in Buff's Pub. I went there. when you guys are still in Fort Myers about two weeks ago and the guy had on your hat.

79.955 - 87.864 Rob Bradford

Oh yeah. No Mark. Yeah. He's yeah. He's he's a, he's a loyal supporter. Thanks to the free hat.

Chapter 2: How do players feel about the new ABS system?

88.205 - 108.821 Rob Bradford

I thought you were going to say, tell me before we get to whatever you're going to rant about. And also I have some questions for you. Tell me what you thought was a better accomplishment marketing wise. Adam Modavino putting the baseballs and boring sticker on the team, Italy espresso machine, which got auctioned for $15,000. Ooh.

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110.704 - 117.197 Rob Bradford

Or Pat McAfee wearing a baseballs and boring shirt for his entire show on opening day.

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120.282 - 140.145 Julian McWilliams

I got to go with Pat McAfee. Yeah. I have to. Like the team Italy thing, I guess that's a great – that's awesome. It's great. But Pat McAfee, you know, even though, you know, it's kind of – You could – You could – Notice how I cut you off.

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140.485 - 156.871 Rob Bradford

You could take that shirt he wore. You could probably auction it off for $15,000, much like the espresso machine. Maybe more. No, I bet. Maybe, yeah. Well, let's put it out there.

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157.953 - 161.218 Julian McWilliams

One of those bro guys would buy it, right?

161.458 - 179.722 Rob Bradford

Yeah, yeah. I mean, forget about the marketing aspect of it. We just embraced another person into the great game of baseball. Forget about football. Forget about that. Baseball, yay. Yay, baseball. There we go. Yeah.

180.143 - 187.291 Julian McWilliams

They say baseball is taking over basketball for the number two sport. Is that true? I don't know. It just might be Twitter.

187.391 - 212.407 Rob Bradford

TV-wise, it is. You know what? I'll say it. Congratulations, baseball. Your brand has never been hotter. All right. Anyway. So I got some things. So what I want to do, Julian, I'm going to give you the option of which you want to do first. I got what, what we should overreact to what we shouldn't do.

212.587 - 239.33 Rob Bradford

So in other words, I'm going to give you like the top four offensive guys, top four guys doing well hitting and the top four are the bottom four guys hitting. And then the teams like the hottest team and say, which ones are going to actually be sustainable. I'm going to be in the playoffs. We could do that or we can go on a rant and, you said that you didn't necessarily have a rant.

Chapter 3: Which players are currently overperforming or underperforming?

246.824 - 249.549 Julian McWilliams

It won't be a surprise. It won't be a surprise.

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249.569 - 261.077 Rob Bradford

Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. I'm going to poke the bear. Poke the bear. That looks a little better. You look fantastic.

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262.058 - 264.82 Julian McWilliams

Yeah. I'm trying to get my brain together, you know?

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264.88 - 266.982 Rob Bradford

Man, you're in TV shape.

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268.283 - 270.004 Julian McWilliams

Hey, man. It had to happen.

270.425 - 296.374 Rob Bradford

It had to happen. No, I'm not. I'm really not. Your traps are popping. All right. So we've been talking about the ABS stuff and everything else. So when it comes to the umpires, do you feel bad for them or don't you feel bad for them? Like a guy like CB Buckner. Do you feel bad for him or don't you feel bad for him?

298.036 - 325.479 Julian McWilliams

I don't feel bad for him because it's like – I mean, some of those calls he was just getting wrong. I do feel like when we're talking about like – there was a – damn, I was just watching this. I just saw it. But there was a pitch last night that John Carlos Stanton – challenged and it was 0.1 inches from the actual thing.

326.121 - 332.235 Julian McWilliams

And according to the rule book, it's a strike, but according to the new ABS system,

332.553 - 357.7 Julian McWilliams

it's obviously a ball like in those situations where it can go either way and you know and and they have to announce that it's being challenged and it says oh rule upheld or rule or the um you know the call is overturned that's a little bit like oh come on man like what are we doing here like you know it's like when you know i don't know like say when you're in a college relationship and

Chapter 4: What should fans know about the impact of the ABS system on umpires?

431.671 - 437.58 Julian McWilliams

I did feel bad for CB Buckner when it's like six of eight of the calls and the crowd is cheering.

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438.121 - 461.199 Rob Bradford

Well, I said this too. When he didn't appeal, when the one that Cora got thrown out, he didn't appeal the check swing by Trevor Story. Like, I would be very convinced that he didn't even appeal because that's something you just do anyway. He didn't appeal it because his head was spinning from eight challenges. He's like, he's probably, yeah, it's.

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462.882 - 480.104 Julian McWilliams

I definitely think there needs to, I mean, like, just like with anything, I think there's going to be some tweaks to it. there has to be some tweaks to it, right? I mean, it just can't be where something's decided by 0.1 inches and these guys are being – I don't think there's going to be any tweaks to it. And the strike zone is – you don't? Not this year?

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480.965 - 503.609 Julian McWilliams

No, I mean, maybe not this year, but maybe – I don't know. I mean, I don't know. But, like, somebody brought up an interesting point. One of my producers from CBS, he was like – he said, how many people do you think are going to be – want to get into umpiring now? that do you think that's going to affect people saying, screw that.

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503.99 - 514.131 Julian McWilliams

It's a job where, Rob, it's one of the only jobs where nobody ever says, hey, you had a great day today. It's not a job of affirmation.

514.347 - 514.708 Rob Bradford

No.

516.009 - 516.41 Julian McWilliams

No.

517.131 - 541.587 Rob Bradford

Yeah. That's a great point. Your producer's brand has never been hotter. Instincts are never keener. That's a great point. Like I said, this is not what they signed up for. This is not what they signed up for. CB Buckner, you can say he stinks and he's not one of the better umpires. He has been one of the better umpires in a long time. But the fact of the matter is that...

541.567 - 547.493 Rob Bradford

Like, still, this is not what C.B. Buckner signed up for when he got dropped in the major leagues in 1999.

Chapter 5: How does the ABS system affect the strike zone in baseball?

663.387 - 687.595 Julian McWilliams

In a game against – on Friday against the Pirates, he was saying that a ball came in and he challenged it. And from his perspective, he thought it was going to be – it was a clear ball. But according to the new ABS system, it was a strike. And so, you know, they lost the challenge. So people can probably look that up now and see what it is.

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687.615 - 710.978 Rob Bradford

I'll give you one, and I'll put a name on it. Izzy, Izzy kind of falafel said this, and I think that you're, you're absolutely right. It's two different things. It's the ABS, but then along with the ABS, the strike zone is different, which I think is something people can't get their head around why it's going on. But as you go along, you realize, and here's the thing.

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711.397 - 715.421 Rob Bradford

It's measured at the front of the plate now, too. Not in the middle of the plate. Exactly.

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715.461 - 735.983 Julian McWilliams

So this is what that person was talking about. It was measured at the front of the plate. So when it came down, it was a clear ball. I mean, when it landed, it was a strike. But when it was a ball, but when it cleared, it was a strike. So he was like, oh, dang. This is like another thing that I have to adjust to.

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736.043 - 740.087 Rob Bradford

This is taking away the 12-6 curveball. Ooh.

741.502 - 744.969 Julian McWilliams

Oh, story ideas, baby. Okay, go ahead.

745.59 - 768.213 Rob Bradford

Play the Kershaw's. That's why I retired. But Izzy, our good friend, nobody beats the Iz, wizard of Iz, kinder falafel. He said in a spring training game, he's like, he takes a pitch and And he goes back to the dugout, and he's like, they're like, why didn't you challenge that? He's like, because I thought it was right down in the middle of the plate.

768.915 - 791.904 Rob Bradford

But it wasn't, because the strike zone had changed. So the strike zone was a lot lower, right? Everything's lower. It's 53% of your body. And as he said... where it used to be the veterans going to get the benefit of the doubt, it's just the opposite now. The young players are going to have a better idea of the strike zone because they just went through this.

793.206 - 803.542 Rob Bradford

The veterans, a guy like that who's been 10 years in the league, he's going to be like, what? For 10 years, this has been the strike zone. Now you're changing it? Yeah, yeah.

Chapter 6: What are the implications of ABS for future umpiring careers?

1004.976 - 1029.747 Julian McWilliams

Yeah, I mean – but aren't there aren't there mistakes on front street anyway but not not to that degree where it's like unless you're like angel hernandez where it's like clearly egregious and like aren't there mistakes out there see that's why i'm torn by this no it's like the only like you think go ahead do you think it's like poking fun at them like ha ha you got it wrong

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1030.587 - 1061.096 Rob Bradford

No, but it piles up. If a guy, listen, if a guy like gets, like you said, CB Buckner got six wrong. Six. That's six times where he had to turn. And then that obviously everyone focuses on that. And the only other thing that we had close to this was, yeah, during the TV broadcast, as it was going on in the last few years, We can look at the box on the screen. Oh, he's missing. He's missing.

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1061.276 - 1073.572 Rob Bradford

Well, they'll come back and say, well, the box is inaccurate. The box is inaccurate. And then all we have to go by is the social media account umpire scorecard. And we're like, oh, did you see that? But that's the next day. It's like, okay, whatever.

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1073.592 - 1092.309 Julian McWilliams

I think I might – I don't have a fix to this, but I think I have the lead in that could be a fix to this is that When a base runner, it's the outer safe call, right? Where it's a call to field is overturned, a call to field stands, call to field is confirmed, right?

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1092.469 - 1114.757 Julian McWilliams

I think with this, there needs to be some system where it's like the call to field stands or a call to field is confirmed where it isn't confirmed like where it's absolutely where the umpire is correct and overturned means overturned stands means that like Hey, it could have gone out of the way. There needs to be some system in there where it's like, if it's 0.1 off.

1115.197 - 1132.077 Rob Bradford

Yeah, I got it. I got it. No, no, I got it. You can't say, because that's still deciding one side or the other. If it's 0.1, it's a tie. It didn't happen. Do-over.

1133.66 - 1151.241 Julian McWilliams

Yeah, but then these managers start bitching about pitch counts. I don't know. You know what I mean? Derek Shelton was like, no, he didn't tap his head in time. There's going to be some problem that arises that comes out here in this. But yeah, I'm with you. Point one off, do it over. Do over pitch.

1152.422 - 1180.654 Rob Bradford

I feel like in society, we should utilize this to tap our head for things that we want replays of. when I'm in Fort Myers and I have a very well-meaning waitress tells me that she was named after somebody that was murdered did I hear that right?

1180.674 - 1182.235 Julian McWilliams

do we not talk about that anymore?

Chapter 7: Which teams are surprising in their performance this season?

1300.182 - 1307.094 Julian McWilliams

I believe it's between Josh John and Josh Naylor, but I'm going to go Josh Naylor. Yeah, I would too. Yeah, he has a great hit tool.

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1307.958 - 1309.264 Rob Bradford

Oh, he does?

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1309.885 - 1310.285 Julian McWilliams

Yeah.

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1310.546 - 1313.228 Rob Bradford

What's that? What's that? Hitting the ball hard.

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1313.509 - 1333.729 Julian McWilliams

Yeah. Yeah. Some of your friends of the show might accuse me of bias here of choosing the guys with more melanin to have, uh, to have the better year. They pointed that out before. I just want to say, I'm not doing that here. I actually think he has the greatest, the best hit tool. Okay. There you go. I can't say the friend of the show. He's a very good friend of mine though.

1334.21 - 1342.046 Rob Bradford

Yeah. I don't know who you're talking about. Um, We don't see that sort of thing here.

1342.707 - 1343.448 Julian McWilliams

Yeah, I don't see it.

1343.788 - 1347.494 Rob Bradford

Yeah. All right, Josh, are you talking because he's a Canadian?

1349.176 - 1357.367 Julian McWilliams

Oh, because he's like – No, he's a Canadian. Black. Yeah. By the way, did you see – He is a Canadian, though.

Chapter 8: Who are the standout players to watch this baseball season?

1505.375 - 1521.999 Julian McWilliams

Hit everything to the right side. I know. It's incredible, the player that he's turned out to be. I mean... Really good in the field. Consistent. You know, every year I think they're going to trade him, and they never end up trading him.

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1522.139 - 1523.681 Rob Bradford

Well, good for them for not trading him.

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1524.623 - 1526.726 Julian McWilliams

Yeah. Who knows? They might even be good this year.

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1527.387 - 1533.375 Rob Bradford

We'll see. Well, I said this. Nick Martinez and Steven Matz, all-star game.

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1534.316 - 1538.874 Julian McWilliams

Ooh. Kyle Harrison and Quinn Priester, all-star game.

1538.894 - 1546.807 Rob Bradford

All-star. You go to the Brewers, you're an all-star. Yeah. You're an all-star. Leading the majors in stolen bases?

1548.91 - 1553.678 Julian McWilliams

Who's that? David Hamilton. Yeah, well, I'm not going to go down that route.

1553.898 - 1556.182 Rob Bradford

Oh, because he's not Canadian?

1556.242 - 1557.644 Julian McWilliams

That's where I draw the line.

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