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Chapter 1: What insights does Terry Collins share about his baseball career?
Yeah, there should be some passion. This doesn't have to be boring. You don't get bored by baseball. Okay, one thing the game needs is more people like you. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. You. Welcome to Baseball Isn't Boring.
Another episode of Pitch and Moan. I am your host, Courtney Fennecom. And I am with none other than former Mets manager, Terry Collins. Terry, welcome to the show. How are you?
I'm doing fine. Thank you, Courtney. Thank you for having me on your show. On your show.
Well, listen, I am an old school baseball fan. Everyone knows that. And you're a pretty old school guy yourself, which I love. But you are a podcaster yourself now.
Is that correct? That is. You know, I got talked into it a couple of years ago. John Arezzi, he did a podcast with John Gibbons in Toronto yesterday. John got the coaching job in New York and he was looking for somebody else. And he said, I think Terry Collins should do a podcast. So I did it the first year where we did it every week. And I, God bless you, sweetheart.
I cannot, I couldn't do that. That wore me out. You know, really? Oh yeah. My age. That's a lot more. Plus.
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Chapter 2: How did Terry Collins become a podcaster?
you got to remember now, you know, there's things I want to do, you know, my, I don't, you know, I'm not want to be tied down to try to find guests and try to find questions and answers and, you know, I've done it all. So I, so the last year I did it once, once a month, this year I'm doing it once a month. And so that works out fine. I am, I'm happy with that. And, but yeah, yeah.
I'm probably reaching the end, Courtney. It'll be up to you next year.
Oh, so you're going to give me the reins to take over this?
I'm going to give you the reins. I'd be happy. And then we'll have a ceremony if you want. We can do it.
Now, you know, okay, so I have been to 27 stadiums, okay? The one stadium that I am missing is Citi Field in New York.
You're kidding.
I know. It's a crime, isn't it? It's a crime.
Yes.
Because it's not brand new. It's not a brand new place. And you need to go because it is, without a question, one of the top five stadiums in all of baseball, being maybe the number one playing surface in all of baseball.
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Chapter 3: What memorable moments did Terry Collins experience with the Mets?
So I turned around, and we were talking, and I said, listen, you need to come out to the field. I'll get you a uniform. Now, I've done this with several other guys. Regis Philbin, you know, Kevin James. And I said, you need to come out tomorrow because I know you're a huge Mets fan. I'll get to you and just hang with the guys. He goes, I'd love to. Well, the next day he couldn't do it.
He called me, said, I'm sorry, I can't do it. So. But I've known he's been in a lot of games. And, you know, there's a lot of huge fans. Jon Stewart, Chris Rock. Lots of fans. So I got this contact through my producer, Jon Rissing, said, Jerry, he'd consider being on the show. Let's do it. So fun. So exciting. And he was so good. He was so entertaining, but that's who he is. That's what he does.
So, you know, and he sent me a text and said, let's, we'll do it again. I said, absolutely. We'll do it again.
Now, do you have a favorite Seinfeld episode out there? I'm putting on the spot here. Do you have a favorite one? You don't have to know.
I got, I got tons of them. I mean, you know, uh, I love, uh, You know, Elaine, you know, Kramer's a blast. You know, George Costanza. I really can't pick out one. But, you know, obviously everybody wants me to pick out the Mets one because Roger McDowell, I hired into his first coaching job, by the way. Oh, my goodness. When I was the farm director of the Dodgers.
And so, you know, the Roger spitting on, you know, I know Roger very well. I wouldn't put it past him to that being a true story. But I would have to say there were probably others I liked as much, but it's just that he was such a Mets fan. It was part of his show, and that's what was cool.
I agree. And it was really kind of like free publicity for the Mets, you know, having Keith Hernandez on.
I know. Incredible. If you ever notice in the corner of Jerry's apartment, he had the Mets hat. He sure did.
Sure did. So obviously you've had a very long career as we talked about offside, offside the podcast, but really your most recent one was with the New York Mets, as we've discussed. And you got a chance to take them to the World Series back in. OK, so you were a longtime Mets manager. That was your most recent gig. Right. And back in 2015, you got a chance to take them to the World Series. Right.
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Chapter 4: What was the atmosphere like during the 2015 Mets World Series run?
And so, yeah, I got a little carried away that night.
So let's talk about your love for your players. As you've mentioned, the now infamous Chase Utley play, of course. You know, to this day in 2026, how do you feel about Chase Utley in this moment?
Well, first of all, I love Chase Utley because he played the game the right way. Absolutely. He played hard. He ran the bases hard. He did everything it took to be a great player. I thought his slide was illegal. I thought his slide was unnecessary. Due to the entire play, if you replay the play, there was no way we were going to be able to make a double play. But not to hit the dirt, not to –
to go into him above ground, you're saying, I'm going to hurt this guy. And he did. As a matter of fact, Ruben Tejada never was the same. So I don't hold any disregard because I've always thought he was a great player. But I thought it was uncalled for, and I've never talked to him since. But anyway, it's over and it's done, and we've all moved on. Yeah.
But it's part of the game, as you know, Courtney, you follow the game on site closely. You know, there are things that go on during a game that there has to be retribution for it. 100%. And this was one of those things.
And I could not agree more. And I'm a little, again, my old school heart, like, we're kind of moving away from that a little bit, you know?
Right. We are. We are. We are.
And I agree with you. That play particularly, like you said, you know, he was never the same again after that Tejada. And that's tough, you know? And it's like, like you said, Chase Utley played the game the right way, and I agree with that. But, man, it looked like a dirty slide.
Just slide. Just hit the ground. Yeah. And slide. Knock him down. I mean...
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Chapter 5: How did the Mets' trades impact their performance in 2015?
And I don't ever regret that. But, you know, and again, at that particular time, we had to answer that. We had to do something. And Noah Syndergaard was the perfect guy. Yes. And, you know, to this day, I love Noah to death. And we both got ejected in the locker room. I said, you can't hit this guy. You're a big league pitcher. Throw 100 miles an hour. Leave a mark. And I will tell you what.
And again, Courtney, I will bet you any amount of money. Chase Sutley, if he had hit him in the middle of the back, would have taken the bat, flipped it over, and ran to first base. And never said a word. Because he knew it was coming. Because he was a pro. He was a pro.
Perfectly said. I cannot agree. I cannot agree more. But let's talk a little bit about the way baseball has evolved in the past few years. A lot of rule changes. And like we said, we're moving away from sort of that old school baseball feel. How do you as a former manager feel about the new rules that have been implemented so far?
I don't watch them much. I don't watch much. I watch a few innings. I get tired of the strikeouts. I get tired of, you know, with two strikes, there's no two-strike approach to put the ball in play. And, you know, it's pretty funny. Courtney, we'll see a game where someone will take a swinging bunt and get a hit or someone gets jammed and bloop a ball over the infield.
Hell, years ago, with two strikes, you wanted a two-out single. Two-out singles with a runner in scoring position, they're big hits. So I get tired of the 15 strikeouts a game. You know, the pitch clock, I kind of get it. But, you know, again, I go back and people ask me about it.
I said, you know, a lot of times, and I didn't go to the mound very much to, you know, talk to a pitcher because I didn't know shit about pitching. But I'd go out there and I'd say, you know, when I'd go out there, I'd say, hey, Slow the game down. Let's slow it down. Let's make a pitch. Take a deep breath. Let's make a pitch.
I always go back to Max Scherzer, who I think is one of the greatest pitchers I've ever seen. You know, if you ever watch Max pitch, what's he do when he gets it out? He walks around the mound. Why? Because now he's getting ready for the next guy. It gives him that 15 seconds, whatever it is, to get ready for the next guy. And that's what pitchers should do between pitches. Hey, use that time.
What do I want to do here? How am I going to make this pitch so that my next pitch I can get an out? And so I used to use that all the time. Well, now you can't do that because of the time restrictions. The pitch clock, yep. So now you've got your plan, Ricky Henderson, and he's the first base. And you can only throw over there two times?
Yep.
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