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Becker Private Equity & Business Podcast

Tariffs: Part Two 3-4-25

Tue, 04 Mar 2025

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In this episode, Scott Becker analyzes President Trump’s newly announced tariffs on Canada, Mexico, and China.

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Chapter 1: What are the newly announced tariffs by President Trump?

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This is Scott Becker with the Becker Private Equity and Business Podcast. Today's discussion is tariffs part two. So one of the things that's happened today, and again, we're coming to you March 3rd, 2025, is President Trump has announced that tariffs will go into effect on Canada and Mexico and likely on China as well. And this has caused the stock market to take a dive today.

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Chapter 2: How do tariffs affect the stock market?

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And we do know that President Trump watches the stock market closely and points to the stock market as a point of success. So you look at that and say, what drives the effort towards tariffs when he knows that the markets react negatively to it? And I think there's probably a few different data points that we look at.

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Chapter 3: What role does inflation play in tariff decisions?

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The stock market's one of many looks at, and you probably think that's a temporary negative there. And again, trying to get into the mind of what President Trump is thinking about these things is not an easy task. Second, you look at inflation, and he broadly campaigned on the fact that inflation was bad under Biden, and it was. And then it starts turning around here.

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And I think what probably happens is he feels like he's got a little bit of room on inflation because the last report showed it going down a little bit or at least even to flat and not going up. So he probably feels he's got one bit of room on inflation. Obviously, if the tariffs ended up causing tremendous inflation, he would feel bad about that and that would cause challenges and so forth.

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Chapter 4: How does the Federal Reserve influence tariffs?

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The third thing is the Fed. He's been a regular Fed basher and has been watching Chairman Powell. He's eased up on it a little bit. And obviously, if we end up with inflation, that's going to slow the effort of the Fed to reduce rates.

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The flip side is if we end up with slowness in the economy and the continued reduction of inflation, that's going to lead, regardless of tariffs, to the Fed taking rates down some more. The fourth thing that you look at is employment and unemployment.

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Chapter 5: What is the impact of tariffs on employment?

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And one of the things with tariffs is it is having an immediate effect of starting to have manufacturing a little bit busier in states that do manufacturing. In this point of these four different points that we're talking about, whether it's inflation, the Fed, cost of goods, the stock market, or employment in factories and manufacturing.

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This point should not be understated in terms of how Trump relates to his base and what he thinks there. You've got various different things going on. You've got recently Apple, in response to these tariffs, and partly in response to meeting with President Trump, said that they would invest in new facilities, new plants here, $500 billion and so forth to be invested in the United States. In the

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2016 election, which Trump won. If you remember, there's all these great takes from Michael Moore, who is by no means a Trump fan. He's an anti-Trump person, talking about how Trump would talk to his base about bringing jobs back here and attacking GM and Ford and others that would be after... that would talk about closing down factories, closing down jobs here. And so what you...

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Think about this. When he goes after the tariffs, it is a rough, rough shot measure. It's sort of taking a machete at something versus a scalpel. But what he is doing is resonating with part of his base that wants to see those jobs in Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, and so forth. Now, we also know if we ratchet tariffs up too much, it's going to cause tremendous inflation.

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And it's horrendous for world trade. So many of us that are stock market watchers and ultimate economy watchers see all the negatives and tariffs. And I think what we miss when we see all these negatives and we're so upset about them, what we probably miss is the on the ground sort of impact on some of the factory jobs that

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in those swing states that Trump is so intent on making promises good to his voters. Truly a fascinating, fascinating thing to watch. Again, I've always viewed tariffs as a protector of the unions. I've never been a crazy fan of tariffs, but it is what it is. And I'm trying to understand why when the market's getting crashed, Trump's a stock market watcher, why he's so positive about tariffs.

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And I think part of the reason is exactly this, that he sees it as a way to keep those factories humming in the United States, or at least marginally moving in the right direction. And that's one of his target goals. for making good on his promises to those voters. In any event, absolutely fascinating to watch.

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Again, not a fan particularly of tariffs and trying to understand the mentality behind going after tariffs and driving them as part of the game. Thank you for listening to the Becker Private Equity and Business Podcast. I'd love your thoughts on this. And if you're the first person to comment to me, Tariffs Part 2, text me, Scott Becker, 773-766-5322.

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And your thoughts on this, we'll send you a $100 Amazon gift certificate. Thank you for listening to the Becker Private Equity and Business Podcast.

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