Robert and Sophie are joined by Cool Zone Media supervising producer, Ian Johnson to continue to discuss Andrew Tate. Update series dropping next week! Includes Part 3 & 4 with less ad breaks. Better Offline & Weird Little Guys are nominated for this year’s Webby Awards! Get your votes in by April 17th! 🗳️🗳️🗳️https://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2025/podcasts/individual-episode/businesshttps://vote.webbyawards.com/PublicVoting#/2025/podcasts/individual-episode/crime-justice FOOTNOTES: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/108090691/chess-family-strives-to-keep-pressures/ https://youtu.be/bsu-IoE8J4A https://youtu.be/VIsKh-dtnQA https://books.google.com/books?id=-4j9wgEACAAJ&newbks=0 https://www.insidesport.in/andrew-tate-what-is-top-g-andrew-tates-religion/ https://youtu.be/EpR9ucpGpWs https://youtu.be/UVUcv7yyJIA https://youtu.be/IgdWYaz-6ZY https://youtube.com/shorts/RirKfcVP2OM?feature=share https://youtu.be/cI-Ps1NIU4w https://youtu.be/M-doheMG424 https://youtu.be/fFky34MAeGg https://youtu.be/JyNizUlYTC https://thecourseplace.net/product/andrew-tate-phd-program-full/ https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/who-is-andrew-tate-from-kickboxing-champ-to-accused-human-trafficker/ar-AA166CnO https://web.archive.org/web/20220811143550/https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/06/andrew-tate-violent-misogynistic-world-of-tiktok-new-star https://youtu.be/LqGmS_9zCkU https://www.insider.com/andrew-tate-says-women-at-house-not-allowed-out-video-2023-1 https://archive.is/MEhRiOn https://www.jointherealworld.com/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddrink/foodnews/andrew-tates-hospital-visit-sparks-conflicting-reports-about-his-health/ar-AA1684ty https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/andrew-tate-tiktok-fame-men-2022 https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/30/andrew-tate-explainer-arrested-greta-misogyny/ https://rumble.com/v1gluzu-the-worst-things-about-being-rich-.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/andrew-tate-how-make-money-arrested-romania-b2256514.html https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brothers-make-millions-using-webcam-26508739 https://archiIve.is/hAhhQ https://archive.is/lwViQ https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ikrd/andrew-tate-hustlers-university https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/1/10/23547393/andrew-tate-toxic-masculinity-qa https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1991/02/03/mens-movement-stalks-the-wild-side/83d3e85f-1384-484c-8e43-c4e30e1229f4/ https://blogs.loc.gov/catbird/2021/12/a-snowy-poem-by-robert-bly/ https://ew.com/article/1991/04/19/robert-blys-mens-movement/ https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1967/12/21/protest/ https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ikrd/andrew-tate-daria-gusa-instagram-dm?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bfsharetwitter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: Who are the hosts and guests discussing Andrew Tate?
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Hey everybody, Robert here. First off, we are doing a rewind week because I've written two new Andrew Tate episodes, but also my birthday came recently. We took some time off, so we're going to take this week to replay the first four Tate episodes with ad breaks and stuff removed.
I also wanted to tell you Ed Zitron is in the running for a Webby for his show Better Offline, as is Molly Conger for Weird Little Guys. Please go to the Webby's, vote for them. You can find the links in the show notes along with our other links and You can also just Google Ed Citron Webby's, Molly Conger Webby's, and you will find them. Please do vote for them.
We'll be back next week with two brand new episodes on what Tate has been up to over the last couple of years and a bunch of really fucked up information that's come up. So please enjoy these episodes, the reruns with less ads, and go vote in the Webby's.
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more like behind the masters like i'm like crying like massachusetts it somehow keeps getting worse yeah i thought that was pretty good i thought that was pretty good i would be more offended if i actually liked boston which i don't so oh my god i'm it's so bad that i started my whole face is red and i've teared up
No, you see, a lot of the times we ignore the Reddit when we disagree with it. But today the subreddit's filled with Bostonians saying my accent is perfect. So I have decided to take that as a mandate to continue speaking in a Boston accent. Well, everybody, this is Behind the Bastards. It's a podcast. Bad people. Tell you all about them.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I have a Jamie Loftus text that says, Butch, Jack, Tommy, they're on their way. Throw Deadpool DVDs at you like throwing stars if you do not stop the Boston accent.
Well, you know, Jamie is not really from Boston because she's from... Uh-oh. She's from Hwavud.
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Chapter 2: What is Andrew Tate's background and early public image?
Sweet prince. kickboxing champion of the world I'm just mentally preparing myself for a bunch of horrific Andrew Tate TikTok videos so let's do it not to mention one half of the DJ group gladiator with our very own DJ Daniel we have the full gladiator on staff which is my favorite thing to brag about yeah
All of these things, all of these things are true. And what's also true is that I have watched hours of Andrew Tate. The people who live with me have been miserable because while I'm cleaning the house, I've just been putting on his eight hour long videos where he tells people how to how to hustle. My condolences.
Yeah, I have broken my brain and now it's time for everyone else to suffer, which could be the tagline of the show, honestly.
uh so yeah let's let's let's roll into it what don't do that to people all of our money comes from doing headphones i am wearing headphones now when you're listening to eight hours of entertain no see i mean the whole reason this podcast works and the whole reason that i enjoy doing it is getting to make other people miserable after making myself miserable so if if i
I were just hiding all of the Andrew Tate and experiencing it solo. I wouldn't enjoy it as much as like when one of my friends comes home from a long day of like teaching children at a public school and sees Andrew Tate talking about child labor on on the screen of my TV. And that's just the thing that assaults them as they attempt to de-stress from their day. I think that's beautiful, Sophie.
I guess I know who I owe apologies to on your behalf.
Oh, everyone. Everyone, Sophie. So let's get back into it. When we left off, Andrew and Tristan Tate's webcam sex business, which was essentially just sex trafficking, had taken off. They had started making a lot of money, and they had been forced to flee the United Kingdom after committing a series of sex crimes. So they are in Romania now. Andrew Tate will...
And he's pretty open about this because because after this point, he starts to get a lot more active on social media, particularly Instagram. And when he's doing these kind of like videos with his fans where he talks about how he got rich and how to get rich, he'll talk about why he moved to Romania. And his his explanation is this. Their sex crime laws are a lot looser there.
It's a lot harder to get prosecuted because the government is more corrupt. And while I'm not a rapist, I wanted to go to a place with more freedom to commit sex crimes, which is something a rapist would say. And it's in fact something a rapist did say. So it was never he was never particularly good at hiding it.
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Chapter 3: How did Andrew Tate leverage social media for fame?
He's insufferable.
Yeah, I mean, you see what he's kind of going for there is like, I don't, I'm the most emotionally controlled. You can't like affect me. Yeah. Yeah, he's doing kind of a version of the thing he's going to be doing. But obviously he gets kicked off the show very quickly. I think he's on it for literally like a week.
Now-
The claim is that he's kicked off the show because this video of him whipping this woman gets leaked out, right? And that, like, that's why they kick him off. There's debate about this within the Big Brother fandom. I went through the Big Brother fandom wiki because I wanted to see how are the— How were the bro stans responding to Andrew Tate? How did they feel about him?
And they note this, quote, Andrew himself and many other fans believe that is an incorrect reason as to why he was ejected. Andrew believes he was removed as a result after unaired altercations with other housemates.
And it's interesting that he would admit that because he's basically saying they thought I was too violent and dangerous and didn't want me to hurt somebody and get the show in trouble, so they kicked me off, which I actually think might be possible. I am going to say...
Andrew may not be incorrect there, because if I if I'm big brother and I see the way this guy interacts with people and his background, I might be like, we may want to get this motherfucker off the show. He seems like a violent psychopath.
Yeah, I guess. I don't know.
Yeah, it's also very likely that they just saw that sketchy video and were like, we don't need this. Big Brother doesn't need this PR.
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Chapter 4: What controversies surrounded Andrew Tate's appearance on Big Brother?
I certainly wouldn't call him famous. He was, you know, a semi prominent within the UK, semi prominent, uh, fighting sports star. He'd done a little bit of MMA too. Um, and he was a semi prominent and he had like, you know, I think in the tens of thousands, maybe even like a couple of hundred thousand followers on Instagram. Um, so he's not a nobody, but he's not a celebrity, right? Yeah.
Like he's the he's the level of celebrity that you you pick to be on a Big Brother show. Right. Yeah. Now, as with so many claims about this guy, obviously, like I'm not going to say that the Big Brother wiki fandom wiki is a great source, but I did read through it.
And I think it's worth reading to you the biography that the Big Brother fandom wiki gives for Tate, because I believe it's it's accurate to the kind of stuff that Tate bragged about in his Big Brother biography.
I read ahead.
Here's his biography. Andrew is a member of Mensa.
See, that's the same red flag as the Iowa Writers Workshop, which I was fucking right about. Thank you, everybody who messaged us. That is a red motherfucking flag.
Folks who are not on the social media should note that people pointed out the Iowa Writers Workshop was apparently started by the CIA, which is very funny in terms of Sophie being right about it being shady. Although I will say Robert Bly does not seem to have taken to the CIA's propaganda line because he was deeply anti-war. But I guess, yeah, I guess we'll see. Whatever.
Feel about that however you want.
Andrew's a member of Mensa? Let's go back to that person.
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Chapter 5: How did Andrew Tate build his 'Top G' persona?
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Chapter 6: What is the truth behind Andrew Tate's business ventures and wealth?
Oh, yeah. It was beautiful. When I found that, I did a little chef's kiss like I was cooking up some spaghetti. It was good. It was good. Now... A big part of Tate's branding, and this is the same thing, when you're an influencer, right, if you're trying to build like a cultishly loyal following, you have to use cult techniques.
And that means creating words that were not in use before you started using them, or at least repurposing words in ways that other people don't use them and getting your fans to talk that way. And one of the things, Tate knew this, and Tate also, he had paid attention to guys and Again, think back to our other cult leaders. We've got guys like Keith Raniere, who was called Vanguard.
We've got L. Ron Hubbard, who was the Commodore. I forget what Werner Erhard went by, but we just did his episodes. And for Tate, the kind of name that he had his fans call him is Top G. And you will see this in a shitload of Zoomer TikTok videos. I want to play first a video for you of him talking to his brother about what Top G means.
And this is from the Tate Pill YouTube channel.
Well, that's the only YouTube channel that I visit.
Yeah, Top G and Tate Pill, all those names make me want to cry.
It's good stuff, Sophie.
Here's the clip.
Top G. Everyone says Top G. Kids are now wearing t-shirts with Top G on it. I want to be a Top G. I want to be the Top G. You basically trademarked it. So, what do you mean by Top G?
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Chapter 7: How does Andrew Tate exploit family and friends in his business model?
Yeah, well, welcome to the potty, pal. We are back. Back.
Back again.
Hustlers University starts out pretty boring. He gives his definition of a business, which is a thing that money goes into, right? That's the only thing a business is.
Thanks for explaining that, Andrew, because I had no idea before.
Okay. Thank you, Andrew. Well, it's interesting because- Since a business is only something money goes into, if you are putting money into startup costs, if you're putting money into R&D, if you're paying for things like PR, that is all a waste of time, right? Because that's spending money. A business only takes money in. Now, you may be saying, well, but you have to spend money to make money.
That's like a thing everybody knows about business. That's just the way that it works, right? Andrew says no. And in order to explain what a fool you are, he gives an example of a good business that he had an idea for. And this first example of a good business is starting a website to sell makeup online. Now, he says he's adamant that like you don't need to have any makeup.
You don't need to have a product. All you do is you make a website selling makeup and then you wait for a bunch of people to buy the makeup. And then you figure out where to get makeup with the money that they've spent on makeup that you didn't have before. And then you send it to them. Sounds like that's genius brain level business stuff.
Start a fraudulent makeup business and then buy makeup once you start getting money. I don't think that that would work in part because there's a lot of makeup that's a real company out there that people can buy from.
There's a lot of other options to actually get makeup.
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Chapter 8: What is Hustlers University and how does it operate?
I just gave you the example of the 15-year-old cousin who can make websites. Now you own a website company. Or your 15-year-old cousin who can do, I don't know, fucking who knows what he can do. He can mow lawns. Every 15-year-old can mow lawns. Now you have a lawn mowing business. Bang. Tell his stupid ass to go deliver some flyers. Drive him around your car.
play some Tupac, chill out in your car, text some bitches, drive at five miles an hour, let him drop off all the leaflets, and then let him mow all the lawns. You collect all the money and just pay him a percentage. Bang. You now own a lawn mowing company. Congratulations. Use what you got. I made a lot of money with webcam girls. If you're watching this, you don't know that.
Webcam girls, you can go to chatterbait.com. You see girls on there on webcam, getting naked, talking to dudes, taking money. That made me millions and millions of dollars. I came up with that idea by sticking to this principle. Use what you've got. So right now, if you're sitting there. What are you saying? And I mean everything.
Oh, wait. Just wait.
You have a car that's on lease. You have physical strength. Let's say you're a strong guy. When I was making my list, I was writing everything down. I was like, well, I've got six girlfriends. Six girlfriends. So, okay, how can girls make me money? Strip club, but that takes money to set up. Remember? Costs. Again, nothing on the whiteboard. I cannot get money in a strip club without a club.
So I looked at all the costs for a strip club and realized it's too expensive before I could get money in. It's too big a risk. Remember? It's too much risk. I could lose 300, 400 grand. Can't risk that. How can I get money in? How can I get money in for having hot girls without spending money out? So my first idea was strip club. But I looked at all the costs.
I was like, OK, so why do men spend money on girls in strip club? Because the girls are beautiful. They get to look at the girls, see some titties. How can I do that without the club? Well, the internet. If I put them on the internet, it's cheap. This is literally how I thought. I stuck to my business principles. Okay, it's cheap. Start looking up. Bound. Discovered the webcam websites.
All right, so I've already got the girls. I've already got a laptop. I've already got the internet. Bang. The day I had the webcam idea, the same day I was making money. I didn't spend any money, but I was making new money because I refused to allow myself to spend money. Then I started making new money in with the webcam because I knew I had the internet. I knew I had laptops. I knew I had girls.
Use what you've got. Look around you. What people do you have? Does your old mother need a new job? Maybe she's at home and she's bored.
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Chapter 9: How does Andrew Tate prey on young people during economic hardship?
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Chapter 10: What are the final thoughts on Andrew Tate's influence and upcoming episodes?
This is Behind the Bastards. You're Robert Evans. I'm your overlord, Sophie Lichterman, and our guest is Ian Johnson, our wonderful editor. Hi, Ian.
Hey, Sophie. Hi, Robert. Ian Johnson, incredible editor. Sophie, podcast infurer. Um...
It's not the first time he's done that, and it's cringey every time.
It won't be the last. It will not be the last. No, it will not. Well... You know, we're talking about Andrew Emery Tate and boy, howdy. Are we talking about Andrew Emery Tate? We just finished talking about Hustlers University and we're about to get into Hustlers University 2.0 because Andrew understands branding, if nothing else. But before we get into that, I wanted to talk a little bit.
So obviously, while this is going on, while he's launching this series of online classes and deliberately courting controversy online by saying like fucked up shit about women to go viral. He's also constantly guesting on every right wing podcast that will have him. Um, and because of the world is the way it is.
Info Wars is the first place he's able to like really get some traction and he's going to abandon them as soon as he can. Like everybody who gets their start on Info Wars because it's a dead end. You want to, you want to escape Info Wars and get on. He's going to eventually be interviewed by like fucking Pierce Morgan and shit.
Um, but at first he, uh, he, he's reliant upon them and Alex Jones sees the potential in this guy and decides, I want to try and make Andrew a part of my business, which is the thing that, that Alex does regularly. And it leads us to this beautiful ad for the supplement line that Alex made branded based on Andrew Tate. Um, so here's an ad for Andrew Tate branded Infowars supplements.
Oh boy. Okay.
Oh, this is a real treat for everyone.
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