Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Chapter 2: What are the generational differences in housing security?
We could also speak about the diggers of the 17th century in England being massacred for trying to reclaim common land. Yeah. England has a very long history of land struggles. Yeah, definitely. And it's completely, oh, it's not lost to us now. People have reclaimed, especially at the diggers. Right. But there are still commons to an extent. But they're nothing like what they were, right?
Like you can go out to Clapham Common and just go graze your sheep if you wanted to. And it's really sad that we've lost that. We've completely, as a nation, like accepted that land is the thing that people can own. It shouldn't just be for everyone. Yeah. I mean, I kind of see how that would...
get to the extent that it did because you know it was the capital of the british empire and in many ways the british isles was the laboratory where that sort of experimentation with the control of people and land got started and was then able to expand elsewhere yeah very much so yeah
So, I mean, there's a long timeline that we could go through, but I really want to focus on the, all the ways that people have been squatting in England over the 20th century. You know, after the second world war, it's no surprise to anyone that Britain was going through it, right? Whole neighborhoods were flattened, housing stock was in ruins.
And for the six years, while the bombs were falling, not a single new home was built. So people took matters into their own hands. Across the country, families and veterans began to squat because they came home from the war and they had nowhere to live. In Brighton, a group of ex-servicemen calling themselves Vigilantes, led by the legendary Harry Cowley, started cracking houses for families.
The spirit of it eventually spread like wildfire. And abandoned army camps, which were once meant for demolition, soon became makeshift neighborhoods. By 1946, over 45,000 people were squatted in more than a thousand locations. And I mean, the government was concerned this could only lead to anarchy.
But faced with tens of thousands of people who had self-rehoused, the state didn't really have any choice but to step back. You know, direct action solved an issue that their bureaucracy couldn't solve. And the PR of kicking out a bunch of veterans from homes was not a line they seemed willing to cross at that point in time.
Of course, times change, but... Yeah, they wouldn't have any fear of doing that now. It is only the English that were squatting in the UK. You know, you also had Bangladeshi immigrants that ended up coming into the UK, uh, particularly around the 1970s.
And the issue was that single men couldn't get council housing unless they had a family, but they couldn't bring their families over into the UK without housing. So it was like a catch-22. They had all these rows of council flats sitting empty, rotten, and young men who wanted to bring their families over can't bring their families over, can't get housing. What are they going to do?
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Chapter 3: How has squatting been viewed historically?
We can collectivize and collectively organize spaces for farming or production. We can... Really could do any number of things. I think the guiding thread, though, has to be equity. You know, it has to be recognition that nobody has a right to land they don't use. That absentee landlordism is something utterly absurd and can be rejected outright.
I think we can also consider the non-human in our approach to land and the future, you know, considering the rights and responsibilities we have toward animals and plants that live in spaces that, you know, should have their own existence beyond human utility. There will always be conflicts about how we can use these pieces and also how we might resolve these disputes.
Uh, but I think it is clear that wherever there is somebody who attempts to monopolize land by force, we can respond adequately. I think the tactic of squatting is one small unfinished, but necessary step towards a future where we reject property, where land is shared, where domination is abolished, where we as a human community and as
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of the current housing crisis?
What's happening is that there's an enormous effort to get everyone to think that this is because of very specific tendencies of, like, the bad government over there, right? That, you know, overcapacity and steel, oh, it's just because, like, the evil communist government in China is cheating at capitalism by giving their companies money, and so we're going to do tariffs on them instead of that.
And again, like, it's easier for these academics to make this argument because there is kind of stuff going on, right? Because there is...
this sort of cadre evaluation stuff, because there is, to some extent, a subsidization of steel production, they can present this boogeyman to sort of pin what is really a global overproduction and under-consumption crisis onto just, you know, it's just this government we don't like, and then you can sort of implement these ultra-nationalist tariff policies.
It's a way of deflecting the blame from capitalism onto another country and using nationalism to paper over the actual economic contradictions of capitalism. And if you want to escape that, it's not enough to sort of just get rid of Trump and go back to the previous free trade regime.
You have to actually structurally change the thing at the center of all of this, which is the wage relation, right? You have to fundamentally change the fact that
that this economy, the entire economy, is based on there being classes of people who make money from owning things and that there's an entire class of people whose labor is stolen every single day so that those other people can make money by owning things who do all of the actual work. And that's what's actually fundamentally at stake here.
It is this question of, are we going to continue to do tariff bullshit or are we going to take power from the people who caused all of this? From Trump, from Elon Musk, from all of the billionaires, from Thiel, from all of the tech billionaires that funded them, from all of the Republican Party, Koch brother networks.
Are we going to destroy these people completely by getting rid of the social relations of capital that make this all possible? Or are we going to sit here and let them continue to produce AI videos of them shitting all over us while they take all of our money and commit an ethnic cleansing and continue to fund genocides abroad? The moments that shape us often begin with a simple question.
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Chapter 5: Why is the narrative around the border often negative?
I think people think of the border as like San Isidro, but it contains some wonderfully remote and special places. And I wonder if you have thoughts on why, like... the border isn't something that gets talked about that much on a national level. I think it does get talked about, but unfortunately, the narrative that is usually built around it is really negative. Yeah, that's fair.
And of course, that's with an intention, right, of continuing to build up this militarized state or sacrifice zone. And so whenever I talk with the people that is here for the first time, you know, I do these group presentations for delegations that come from all over the country to experience the borderlands region.
And they're like, they have all this perspective, you know, for what they hear on the news about how horrible this is.
Chapter 6: What experiences do visitors have when they come to the borderlands?
And then they come here and they're like, wow, people here is like really nice. And we have had a great experience and I really inspire. And it's like coming with this prefabricated narrative on their minds of this wasteland sacrifice zone, you know, like, and then going out after experience. And yes, some of that is,
Of course, if you go out to the border and experience the wall and the rolls and rolls of concertina wire that make it look like you're on a war song. Yeah. Plus what you already have in your mind, you know, it just keeps building up the intensity. And then...
You hear the stories from people, the struggle from migrants and stories from back in 2023 when we had the search of migrants coming and all these things, you know. But at the end, people leave with a glimpse also like, wow, this place is really beautiful and a lot of wonderful things are happening.
A lot of movements of people trying to organize and make it a better place and trying really hard to shift this narrative. You know, the borderlands provide us a good opportunity, you know, because what we see today, like a friend of mine said, it can get worse and it's going into that direction. Yeah. Yeah. It's going into that direction.
But at the same time, it gives us an opportunity as a society, you know, because whatever happens at the border is definitely going to have a ripple effect in the rest of the country. So we are able to figure out a way to, uh, shift that narrative and look at the border.
They're like, like people that lives and experience the border there and the culture and the beautiful things that the border has to offer. Then, uh, We hope that that's going to help change a lot of the things that are happening in this country, you know. But we need to start, I think, organizing from the bottom up. Yeah. A lot of grassroots effort need to be happening.
And I think a lot of media needs to cover this. You know, we usually don't cover the good stories. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Like it's funny that the right does cover the border. You're right. Or the, the, you know, the Fox news kind of cadre does cover the border.
Like, I don't like the way they cover it, but like the only national network guy I will see down there is the Fox guy for the most part. I don't know, one thing I like to do with my friends, or like if someone comes to visit, you know, sometimes I have other independent journalists come visit, to walk down to the border wall. And it seems very bleak, right?
Because there's this big wall and it's covered in concertina wires, you say, and maybe there are Marines or National Guard or Border Patrol or any other, like... It's people with guns, right, in different uniforms. But then if you turn around, you're in this really special place where you don't see the people and you can appreciate how beautiful it is.
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Chapter 7: How can people outside the borderlands show solidarity?
I get this question very often from different people that come to BC. I usually recommend people to start where they are, you know, in their own communities, because there is reflections of border issues in your own community. There are people that are migrating that might need some help.
There's people that have shelters and all this, or just kind of like get involved with your local, whatever you're passionate about, you know, it doesn't really have to be an environmental issue yet. But we got to remember that social justice and environmental justice is the same thing. Yeah. You know, we got a really like, uh, whatever you're passionate about, just getting involved.
But I think the worst thing that we can do right now is just to ignore the fact that we are in a bad spot. You know, I think a lot of people just wants to continue writing their comfort song wave and it's, uh, that's gonna end, you know? And I think, uh, We need to not only think about ourselves, but we need to think about the generations coming ahead of us.
And I think it's especially for the people that has already had the opportunity to somehow live a life, you know, but there's some that are about to start that journey. And I think it's our responsibility to make it the best as we can for them as well.
So whatever you're passionate about and you really want to, and you're passionate about border related issues and you're not able to come try to support, you know, like financial help is, you know, uh, we like it or not. We are in a capitalist society and we move with financial support. Yeah.
So a lot of these events that we're creating, a lot of these outreach that we're doing, a lot of the people like new generations that need jobs that are, uh, wanting to, uh,
join like maybe a non-profit work or create their own movement or doing something related that's going to help the community yeah support those if you are able those are really good ways to get involved and make some change yeah definitely like there's a lot of things you can do as you say and I think it does help to build up networks of caring for people everywhere.
Like we want to live in a world where people take care of one another. And to do that, we have to start it everywhere. It's not like the border is the only place where bad things are happening. I know we draw a lot of strength as people who live at the border from that solidarity, but also from seeing people do their own things wherever they're at.
Like that is how we build a world where systems of oppression are less able to oppress people.
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Chapter 8: What recent events have impacted the border and immigration policies?
So yeah. Yeah, and one of the things we see here, most of the decisions taken for the border are not taken by people from the border. A lot of these big policy decisions, like for example, a senator of Utah right now is putting up a bill for the border to sacrifice a lot of public lands for new roads and new military installations. So it's like people from Utah are not directly on the border, but
They can also send letters and comments or vote these senators out, you know, and put somebody that really, like, cares for the environment. Yeah, if you're in Utah, your senator has been advocating to sell off the public lands that you own that are safe. I mean, they're native land. It's all native land.
it should be returned to its original custodians but in the meantime you own it and at least all of us can access it until Mike Lee gets his chance to sell it all off to his buddies in real estate and like you could be an extremely conservative person and we could disagree on a lot of shit and I think we could find unity on that like
I do not understand how there is a constituency that wants to take land from the public domain and turn it into, I don't know, military bases and oil fields and McMansions for rich people to have as their second home. Like that should be, it's a thing that everyone agrees on. And like he didn't stick the landing on it the first time in the, uh,
The reconciliation, the quote unquote, big, beautiful bill. But I think that's a really good area to engage people, folks who might not be like, yeah, I will show up for migrants. I think a lot of people, they could be people who enjoy the outdoors, people who just care about the environment.
the hook and bullet crowd, like, like there are a lot of people, even if they don't quote unquote use public lands, like we all benefit from them being there and, and future generations benefit from them remaining undeveloped in a, in a substantial way. That's right. Sorry, I just went off on one. That guy really pissed me off. This shit makes me so mad.
Coming from a country that is entirely private land, just to see someone being like, yeah, that's a good idea. It's fucking asinine. Eric, I wonder if people want to keep up with the Sierra Club, keep up with how they can submit opposition comments, if they want to know more about this new border construction and the impact it would have, where can they follow along?
Is there a website or social media platform? Yes, James, thank you. Yeah, we do have all of it. We try to engage people where they are. And we know social media is a powerful tool. We have a website, Sierra Club Borderlands. People can look up some of the work that we do there. We are also active on social media. We are Sierra Club Borderlands. However you look at it, you're going to find us.
We're based out of Arizona, but we do organize in different states of We're in collaboration with other organizations as part of a larger coalition. So even if you are in Texas or New Mexico, feel free to reach out. And if you have any concerns, ideas, things that come up to your mind that can make the border a better place, feel free for us.
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