Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Chapter 2: How do the Clintons respond to the Epstein investigation?
That's that's wild. And I would walk out as well. When they went back on the record, Chairman Comer discussed how he advised all members that no photos of the deposition were to be released and that an incident like this would not happen again.
Lauren Barber later told reporters that she took the picture before a testimony actually began and that she checked with committee staff about using the photo. No follow up on that. Yeah, fat chance. It's embarrassing.
After returning from off the record, the minority, the Democrats, asked about the Justice Department illegally withholding certain files related to the investigation from public disclosure. Hillary says that this behavior by the Justice Department deserves the most thorough investigation that Congress could carry out.
This will be a longer clip, about two minutes, but there's some good information inside. I think from the very beginning, the behavior of the Attorney General and her staff has demonstrated either a gross incompetence, which is bothersome because they are the keepers of information that should be evaluated for law enforcement purposes, or a clear cover-up because they are protecting
the president and others. Either one of those should be the focus of this committee to try to get to the bottom. If they are incompetent and they are incapable of complying with the law that the Congress passed, we need to know that because they are falling down on the job. They have an FBI director who's more interested in drinking beer and a hockey team
dressing room after our team won the Olympics, rather than being responsive and complying with the law as it has been promulgated. So I don't think it's unfair to say that given the sequencing of the events, starting with the way that president Trump made the release of the files, a key element of his 2024 campaign.
The promise that he and then his Attorney General made that the files would be released, then a walking back of that as they began to look at the files, an ignoring of what they had promised, including that they had a client list on the desk of the Attorney General. Reasonable people would have to assume they are engaged in a massive cover-up. which is infuriating.
As an American, as a citizen, all of us should be, regardless of party, wondering what are they hiding. Nothing says I watch sports more than calling it a hockey dressing room. Dressing room. I was like, Hillary, up with the times. Hillary goes on to mention how the prosecutor in the original Epstein case, Alex Acosta, was not asked any questions by Republicans during his Epstein deposition.
About half an hour later, Hillary and the majority go into about a three-minute exchange, I think this is between Hillary and Nancy Mace, about Howard Lutnick, Trump's Commerce Secretary, who's frequently named in the files. whom Hillary knew from being a New York senator during the 9-11 attacks, where Letnick lost the highest number of employees out of anyone that day, I think over 600.
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Chapter 3: What controversies arise during Hillary's testimony?
When asked why this relationship ended, Bill said that the AIDS program, it was a humanitarian aid program to help with AIDS, but that this AIDS program, you know, took off and more people that Bill knew better offered to help. And Jeffrey did not seem as interested in the AIDS program. So they kind of just naturally drifted apart.
Bill characterized the relationship as friendly, but didn't know him well enough to be considered a friend, and said that he never talked about, witnessed, or participated in anything sexual relating to Jeffrey Epstein and young women and girls. Bill said he learned of Epstein's crimes in 2008. Bill said he had no indication Epstein was trafficking women.
Quote, there's nothing that I saw when I was around him that made me realize he was trafficking women, unquote. Bill was asked about if he communicated with a long list of people regarding Epstein. This was kind of a weirdly framed question. It was like, have you communicated with any of these people about Jeffrey Epstein? Bill had a hard time kind of understanding the nature of this question.
It is kind of oddly phrased. Hillary was asked the same one. Yeah. So they just read a list of names. Bill recounted if he knew the person or not. And lawyers had to specify like, oh, no, they're asking if you communicated with them about Epstein, not if you knew them. So it kind of got some confusing responses. Okay. Interestingly, both Hillary and Bill laughed at the mention of Noam Chomsky.
Hill said that he never communicated with Chomsky and that Chomsky, quote, wasn't a big fan of mine. He thought I was too conservative. Fuck off, Noam. Fuck off, Noam.
crazy bill did testify that he thought that someone like relating to law enforcement would ask him about epstein in 2008 when the news about epstein's crimes came out considering that epstein let bill use the plane but no one ever did hmm
He said he never suspected intel agency connections with Epstein and was at the time unaware of Epstein's visits to the White House while Bill was president and has only since been informed of this in preparation for this testimony. Okay. Bill was asked about a New York Times article claiming to expound on Bill and Epstein's relationship in the 90s, characterized as chummy, which Bill denies.
He said that he didn't even know Epstein really during this time, even though they may have been at the same events. He was asked about being asked to write a personal note to Jeffrey Epstein's mother. Bill said that he never met Jeffrey Epstein's mother and that he wrote a lot of notes to a lot of people that he did not know. He was unsure of who asked him to write this note.
He was also asked about this passport appearing to belong to Epstein bearing a different name, with the questioner asserting that they believe Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence operative running a honeypot against the president. When later asked if he believes that he was targeted, Bill says that it's possible.
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Chapter 4: How is the legal landscape shifting in response to ICE actions?
There was then an extended argument between Mace and lawyers in reference to Daily Beast reporting on a statement Bill made after Jeffrey Epstein's 2019 arrest, mischaracterizing two instances where Jeffrey Epstein visited the Clinton office and Bill once visited Jeffrey Epstein's New York apartment, which he later remarked Jeffrey Epstein was not even present for.
Nancy Mace kept asking if Bill lied about only meeting Jeffrey Epstein at these two times, based on the phrasing of the Daily Beast article. But the full statement that the Daily Beast was quoting from also lists the four plane trips, which contained a total of 17 stops.
the Beast article just mischaracterized this as only being two incidents, and Mace was referring to the article, not the actual original statement. This resulted in a pretty extensive argument. This leads us to the final clip that I'll play, which I think is kind of the only interesting question across the Nine hours of testimony.
The only question I think is actually kind of interesting and worthwhile, and it's not actually followed up on in any substantial way. Nancy Mace asks why the Clintons still associated with Glade Maxwell after Jeffrey Epstein's first conviction, knowing that Maxwell was one of Epstein's closest associates. First of all, when the wedding occurred, She was with Ted White.
And she was for several more years. We did not know when Epstein was arrested that she was still involved with him. I think that clears a lot of this up. We didn't know. And I don't want all of you to get, we're all getting in a lather. There's a logical explanation. We didn't know. And I'm sorry for what she did and what she allowed her life to become, and now she's living with it.
They do not follow up on this at all. The fact that the Clintons, knowing that Maxwell was like Epstein's number two guy, spent a decent amount of time with on these four plane trips in 2002 to 2003 on these humanitarian aid Clinton Foundation trips, you know, a lot of time with Ghislaine and Epstein.
The committee did not follow up on why they continued to associate even loosely, like very loosely with Ghislaine after the 2008 conviction. Yeah. That's a pretty reasonable question to have, and it just doesn't even get focused on very much.
Instead, they start talking about this report from an Epstein victim about Bill Clinton allegedly walking into the offices of Vanity Fair and threatening them to not write sex trafficking articles about Jeffrey Epstein, something that Bill obviously denies, and there would be other witnesses for this event.
But this question about the Clintons' extended relationship with Glenn Maxwell after the first conviction is one of the very last questions asked. It takes them nine hours to get there. Yeah. They don't even follow up on it. And it just kind of ends very, very flaccid. I'm sorry to the survivors. Like, you're not getting any kind of justice.
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Chapter 5: What legal challenges are Isabel and Lucy facing for protesting ICE?
Their June cases are still open today, and Lucy also caught federal charges after responding to an ICE raid that took place during Operation Metro Surge. Welcome, Isabel and Lucy. We're going to talk today about legal oppression you both are experiencing for protesting ICE in Minneapolis.
But before we even start that conversation, can you both introduce yourselves, your connection to the Twin Cities, and share a little bit about who you are outside of the topic of today's conversation? Isabel, we can start with you. Hi, my name is Isabella. I'm a community organizer, helper, and I'm also a spoken word poet.
I've been writing and doing performances here in the Twin Cities since 2020 with the whole George Floyd thing. And I've also done other organizing when it comes to the climate justice movement and also indigenous rights.
Chapter 6: What happened during the ICE raid at Las Cuatro Milpas?
I have Zapotec Benzara Aises, and that's just important for me. But I was born in Chicago, raised here in the Twin Cities. Hi, Lucy. I've been in Minneapolis since, I don't know, the early 2010s. But I've lived in Minnesota forever. I mean, I've been in and out, but I feed people. I'm a loud bitch. I make noises. I make songs. I make good trouble.
Okay, so you were both arrested and charged after a multi-agency raid that took place back on June 3rd, 2025 at Las Cuatro Milpas, a Mexican taqueria in South Minneapolis.
Officials still say that it was not an ICE raid and that they were executing a warrant for drug trafficking, but ICE agents were confirmed on site alongside 10 other federal agencies and local cops, and the owner of the taqueria ended up in ICE detention. The raid and response went pretty viral. The operation was heavily militarized, and hundreds of neighbors turned out in protest.
Issa, you were charged with three counts of obstructing, impeding, or assaulting a federal officer, and a fourth count of impeding a federal investigation. And Lucy, you're facing state-level charges from that day, and federal assault charges... I'd love to hear from you both a little bit about your experiences getting arrested and catching charges.
What do you want people to know about what that experience was like? Yeah, so I wasn't arrested until like three or four days later because that happened on June 3rd and then I was arrested on June 9th. It felt very planned and just like a puppet show. I remember, I think it was the day after two senators from the House here in Minnesota were shot.
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Chapter 7: How do Isabel and Lucy describe their arrest experiences?
Georgia Fort was a really close community friend of mine. We're both from the east side. She called me to do an interview. I was kind of unsure about it, but she just assured me that she just wanted to hear my story. I didn't really think much of it, and so then I went. I did the interview. I was still very shaken up about what happened that day.
By around like four, I think, or like three, I was coming out. And by that time in downtown, there's not a lot of things going on in St. Paul. It's kind of a dead city by that time. And so as I was coming out, that's when four officers came from behind me and arrested me and pushed me to the ground and my shoulder hit the ground.
the concrete and I started bleeding and they took me in the black SUV and they waited there for a second. And, you know, just when Georgia came out and saw everything that was happening and started recording and, you know, from there let the community know about what happened. And so after that, that's when I kind of started realizing what this administration is trying to do.
And it felt very orchestrated. It felt very calculated, even after, especially after there was a lot of news about my arrest and adding my face to this whole drug raid and my case to it. So yeah, I know other people were arrested, but my arrest felt very like intentional and calculated and kind of racist. This is an abuse of power and this isn't okay. Like, I don't care who you are.
Chapter 8: What community support has emerged in response to the arrests?
I don't care how you see things. Like I'm like barely not even five, three, five, two. And you know, these men that were huge felt the need to tackle me. This is all allegedly, right? But at the same time, I think that I want people to understand that they can make their own calls and own judgment and how like this justice system isn't that right now at all. It's repression.
Am I also remembering correctly that I maybe had seen you post a video on Instagram about that raid? Because I feel like in my impression, it also felt like maybe retaliation for you speaking out. Yeah, definitely. Your case feels important for people to know about, especially in the past two weeks here in Minneapolis.
28 people have been charged with assault on a federal officer and are facing federal charges now. There was a handful before that, but we've just seen a massive spike of people who were charged after being released pending charges. So your case does feel like this test case that's being looked to is how are they going to handle this and what's going to happen?
So I appreciate you talking about it. I would love to turn to you, Lucy, and hear a little bit about what you're facing and what your experience has been like. I think they charged me with assault and then they downgraded it to like less degree assault because it was ridiculous. But yeah, like they had like six cops tackle me and my shoulders never been the same. But that was that was in June.
And then in another instance, I also have charges for assaulting a federal officer. Seems like they just charge everyone. And all of these legal observers are also getting doxxed by the AG. They're trying to raise the stakes of resisting the administration as much as possible because it is a popular movement. It's generally popular to hate ICE, but they're trying to make it...
as expensive and as irrevocably life-destroying for U.S. citizens as it is for people who aren't U.S. citizens. I think it's super important to highlight the ways in which these targeted political prosecutions are being used to raise the stakes of showing up to defend your community from abduction, from death, from surveillance and intimidation and fascist violence.
Do you know who else was arrested that day? There was two people arrested on June 3rd. They were both arrested in the same interaction with a police officer. A young woman was standing in front of a police vehicle and an officer approached her like super rapidly. And then someone approached that officer.
And from the video, it seems like that person ripped off a thin blue line lapel Velcro from the officer. And then that officer proceeded to assault that person. And then that person was accused of assault. And then my federal charges, the government has motioned to dismiss them, but we are motioning to dismiss them with prejudice.
And during that interaction, I can't really speak to what happened between me and federal officers, but a pregnant woman was assaulted by federal officers. People were tased. People were hit with batons. And that woman had like a ice agent on top of her for like, I don't know, a half hour. People said that she miscarried. She was pregnant. Everyone was saying she was pregnant.
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