Chapter 1: What is the background of Sylvia Browne as a psychic?
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I was going to make a joke about just perpetually being awake, but... I had no good punchline. I'm good. I am awake. More of a morning person, but very excited to be here. I was just telling you before we came on what a fan I am, and so especially remember. Can we talk about Sylvia's voice? Sorry, I'm just jumping the gun a little bit. Yes, and we'll be hearing more of it. Don't you worry.
Okay, okay. Okay, all right. Yeah. But no, I'm excited to be here, so thank you for having me. Yeah, let's put it because I do want I do want to hear what you have to say about our voice. But let's give the listeners like a minute or two of it, which they're going to get in a minute. And then we can really we'll have something to sink our collective teeth into. We'll dive in. Yeah.
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Chapter 2: How did Sylvia Browne's career evolve in the 1970s?
Yeah. So the last question she asks about, and it is weird to me that she's so negative about IVF. But the next question we get to is my favorite because she's asked about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman, who had recently gotten together in 1991. And she's asked, like, is this relationship going to last? And here's what she says. How about Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman? They're cute. They're cute.
And I think that they're fun for each other. And I think they're going to make it. And I'll tell you why. Because she's a real strong woman. And I think he needs a strong woman. And I think that's why it's going to be good. Because she's got the strength. Because he's got that sort of charming little boy way about him. He really does. And I think she's good for him.
And I think she'll whip him into line. Nope. That one did not correct. Yeah, they got divorced in 2001, citing irreconcilable differences. And when you look at this, what you're seeing here, first off, this is a great situation to be a TV psychic in, because it's a bunch of 50-50 guesses. Right. And their accuracy is pretty good.
First off, if you're being asked, will these celebrities who are already famous for having a tumultuous relationship, which was the case with a lot of these relationships, he's asked if they're going to stay together. It's a pretty good bet to be like, well, probably not. Right. Because like they're already having a bunch of problems. Also, the same thing with like they've had one daughter.
Do you think their next child will be a daughter? 50-50 shot, pretty easy guess to get it right. But in 1991, Cruz and Kidman had just gotten married. They had not had any sort, there wasn't anything in the media about the relationship having like problems yet, right? All the press about them was positive. So Sylvia guessed that they were going to last.
It just really makes the case of what she's doing here. She can get it right when it's kind of a thing anyone could guess well, but when there's less to go on, she's going to be wrong because she's just blindly guessing, you know? Yes. It's such a 50-50. It's a 50-50 and you hate IVF. Right. And you're really against the idea of artificial insemination. God hates it. Yeah.
Anyway, this episode is from the early 90s, but she's doing this stuff like this from the late 70s up through the 80s. And so we can safely assume a lot of her TV appearances during that period are kind of similar to this. And she's a good performer for what that show is, right? That's why they keep bringing her on. She does the job she's being brought on to do.
And the hosts of the show know what they're getting out of her, right? And they're pretty smart about... Because she likes to talk about metaphysics and aliens and dead people. That's more heavy than you want on like a daily talk. You want to talk about celebrity marriages and babies, right? Yeah.
So this is kind of her at her most public facing like media, like this is like the most digestible Sylvia tends to get. Yeah. She is a hit, though. She starts doing fairly well, enough that she's able to rent a larger office and start hiring employees to handle her correspondence.
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Chapter 3: What controversial claims did Sylvia Browne make about her psychic abilities?
Is he playing it to the Assyrian guy? I guess let's just take it over to the ā This could be a little tighter of a story, this story on her behalf. I have notes. You can zip it up a little. I have editorial notes for her, yeah. Yeah, you could zip this up a little bit tighter, Sylvia.
So the next several pages of her autobiography are just like a list of past life regressions that she does and all the different illnesses she cures by finding out people's past lives. So since this is working so well, Sylvia decides- Can I interrupt you for a second? I have a question. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Does she ever mention, one of the things I think is so interesting
whenever I've read about things like this, is that like, almost nobody seems to break gender with their past lives. Yeah, interesting, huh? Is there any example of one of her patients that's like, oh yes, he's a dude, and he's like, when I was a 14-year-old girl back in Mali. Is there ever anybody in this book who breaks gender, any of her patients?
I don't remember perfectly, but everyone I remember, their past lives are the same gender as their current life. So interesting, okay. Yeah. Now, what I will say, Cal, that did interest me about the past lives of her patients, a lot of them were like commoners. Normally, you get a lot of past lives where like, oh, everybody was like a king, huh? Everybody's like a great warrior.
This guy's like, I built pyramids or whatever. I was just like a dude, a laborer. And you actually do get a weird amount of that with Sylvia's, which I kind of like, oh, that's an interesting spin on the grift. Like a lot of these are just like normal pastime jobs. Sylvia, however, does not have normal past lives.
because she starts interrogating her own and she comes to the conclusion that, quote, I'd once been the most beautiful high priestess in all of Africa and that in a later life I'd been the first Eskimo to use shoelaces. Now... I don't know how much debunking I need to do. Like, Africa has never been one political entity. Like, priestess of what?
There's a bunch of religions that have existed on that continent. So many of them over history. High priestess of what? Most beautiful. Who decided that? Who voted on it? Like... And then the whole thing about fucking ā first off, Eskimo is like a slur.
It's a colonial slur that generally refers to ā there's a couple of different groups of people that it refers to, like the Inuit and the Yupik. But it's not a term that you would have used for yourself if that was your past life. You wouldn't call yourself that. Even in the 90s. Even in the 90s, we knew that.
I did look into when these ā like those different peoples had shoelaces ā developed shoelaces just to see. Man, your research. Yes, go on. I had to know. We don't know when shoelaces first came into being, but the peoples who wound up in that part of the world probably took shoelaces with them, because we've had the concept for a very... Otzi the Iceman had shoelaces.
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Chapter 4: What was Sylvia Browne's involvement with law enforcement?
Police ultimately charged his brother for the murder, although his brother was found not guilty at trial. So the case is still unsolved, and she says it would be solved quickly. So again, wrong. Mm-hmm. Wrong, wrong, wrong. That same year, per the Skeptical Inquirer, Sylvia Brown's November 30th, 2005 reading for Samantha Mader, mother of Christopher Mader, had a much clearer outcome.
Brown gave the mother a name, which was again censored, and claimed Christopher's murder stemmed from the killer not liking the food at the bar he worked at. Then later, the killer saw him passing by and shot him. Brown also told the mother to start looking where he ate breakfast.
Matthew Correll and Sean Myers were charged with the murder, and Correll was found guilty and Myers pled guilty in 2012. The two had attempted to rob Mader. Again, Totally fucking wrong. Perhaps her most devastating fuck-up was in 2002. An 11-year-old boy, Sean Hornbeck, went missing while riding his bike.
Sean's parents went on the Montel Williams show and Sylvia told them their son was dead and that his body would be found buried beneath two boulders. Per an article on Grunge... Fortunately, not everyone believed her.
When a boy named Ben Ownby went missing in 2007, journalist Michelle McNamara, who would later be credited for helping to identify the Golden State Killer, connected Hornbeck and Ownby based on physical similarities and their ages when abducted. Sure enough, it was McNamara who was right.
When Ownby was found by law enforcement four days after his disappearance, they were shocked to find Hornbeck was still two. He was still fucking alive. She did it again. She was wrong about another person that she declared dead to their family. That's great that he was alive. It's great that he was alive. Thank fucking God. And I'm glad that there was like an air of disbelief. Yeah.
Hornbeck's father later told CNN, "...hearing Brown's prediction was one of the hardest things we've ever had to hear. And that stuck with the Guardian's John Ronson. So the same year, 2007, he booked himself on a Brown-led cruise and got an interview. When he asked her what happened, she claimed she had focused on three missing children.
Two were dead, and I think what I did was I got my wires crossed. There was a blonde and two boys who were dead. I think I picked the wrong kid." Still, her ex-husband, Gary Dufresne, condemned her, saying, Yeah. Yeah. Clearly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all pretty bleak. And there's a lot of these that we could go through.
Like there's, there's so many of these different like cases, the skeptical inquire has like a whole list of them. And even in the cases where she's kind of right, we're like, she got the, the, the murder, the fact that someone was murdered. Right. And more or less the cause she's always wrong about where the body is, what happened to it, all that stuff. Um,
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