006 – Donnie Maclurcan on Post-Growth Economics & the Future Beyond Capitalism

My guest today is Donnie Maclurcan, founder of the Post Growth Institute and a thinker who played a major role in my own journey. In this episode, Donnie breaks down why money accumulation under capitalism necessarily produces rising debt and inequality, leading to human suffering and ecological breakdown. We also go deep into possibilities for a better future – including the ways not-for-profit business models are quietly succeeding inside capitalism, what a post-capitalist economy could feel like, and what we can do now to participate in a post-growth future.Thanks to Vista House Marin for providing us with such a lovely space for this shoot.Follow Donnie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/donniemaclurcan/Dive into the work of the Post Growth Institute: https://postgrowth.org/Read their writing on Medium: https://medium.com/postgrowthSupport the Better Future podcast by subscribing:YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@michaelmezzSubstack: https://substack.com/@michaelmezzatestaSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/16K0dkbk35q0mTslKJJ7z0Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/better-future-with-michael-mezz/id1823942833Follow the PGI on social media:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/postgrowth/X: https://x.com/postgrowthBluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/postgrowth.orgMichael Mezz on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/michael__mezz/The Better Future Podcast on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/betterfuturepod/I originally discovered Donnie and his work thanks to the Denizen community and podcast. Learn more about Denizen here: https://www.becomingdenizen.com/00:00 Intro: Planting seeds for the future01:04 Introducing Donnie Maclurcan02:38 What is post-growth?06:37 Capitalism's inherent inequality and debt10:06 The monetary system and debt creation18:49 The human and ecological impacts of debt28:08 Why efficiency can’t solve the climate crisis30:21 Why inequality is inherent to capitalism33:39 Imagining a post-capitalist future37:25 Existing examples of post-capitalist businesses47:37 Why money circulation is key51:58 How to participate in post-capitalism now57:18 The importance of indigenous wisdom1:06:00 The wisdom of marginalized communities1:08:32 Collapse and post-capitalism1:18:28 ConclusionHost/Creator: Michael MezzatestaGuest: Donnie MaclurcanEditor: Nuria SalgadoDesigner: Amea WadsworthSorry I forgot to put on socks before starting the shoot 😅Thanks for watching episode 006. Lots more on the way.

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