BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast

254: Tim Ferriss on Real Estate, Becoming a Top Performer and His Tribe of Mentors

23 Nov 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s guest needs no introduction, but this would look funny without one, so here we go! Today on The BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down with T...

253: Recession-Resistant Investing & the Benefits of Buying Shopping Centers with David Puchi

16 Nov 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Most of the guests here on the BiggerPockets Podcast have focused on residential properties—but there is a whole different world to explore in the c...

252: House Hacking (Your First Deal) & Life Hacking with Craig Curelop

09 Nov 2017

Contributed by Lukas

People spend years thinking about buying real estate—but many never take the first step. Not today’s guest, though! Today, we sit down with Craig...

251: Replacing Your Income with Real Estate as a DIY Landlord with Eric Drenckhahn

02 Nov 2017

Contributed by Lukas

How do you build up an arsenal of relevant landlording knowledge? Through hands-on experience. Eric Drenckhahn is a “DIY landlord” who has manag...

250: Grant Cardone on Multifamily Investing and Why You Should Never Buy a House!

26 Oct 2017

Contributed by Lukas

It’s the episode you’ve been waiting for: Grant Cardone is BACK on the BiggerPockets Podcast! Last time Grant was on the show he owned $350 mil...

249: House Hacking, Live-In Flips, and Investing Purposefully with Josh Daniels

19 Oct 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Why do you want to invest in real estate? Is it just about having a lot of units—or is it about creating a life you can be proud of? On today’s ep...

248: From Shop Teacher to Multifamily Syndicator with Todd Dexheimer

12 Oct 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Looking to scale up your real estate investing business? If so, don’t miss this incredibly powerful episode of The BiggerPockets Podcast. On today...

247: How to Buy Your First (or Next) Property by the End of the Year [The 90-Day Challenge!]

05 Oct 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Today’s podcast is unlike anything you’ve heard before. Today, we’re not interviewing anyone. Instead, we’re going to motivate, educate, and i...

246: Surviving the Coming Crash, Earning 20% Returns, and Buying Mobile Home Parks with Kevin Bupp

28 Sep 2017

Contributed by Lukas

When most investors hear the words “mobile home park,” they turn and run the other way. But not today’s guest, who’s found incredible success ...

245: Creating Wealth that Lasts Generations with Bestselling Author Ryan Holiday

21 Sep 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Are you in this business to make a quick buck—or are you looking to build generational wealth for you and your family? If the latter is true for you...

244: “Unfair” Taxes and Unfair Advantages with Linda Weygant, CPA

14 Sep 2017

Contributed by Lukas

There are a lot of reasons to love being a real estate investor. One of the most impressive is the “unfair” tax treatment investors get by the US ...

243: “How I Built 7-Figures of Wealth on a Working-Class Salary” with Joe “JD” Martin

07 Sep 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Let’s be honest: not everyone is trying to buy hundreds or thousands of properties. In fact – just a small handful of incredible deals can help bu...

242: How to Live an Incredible Life Now & Achieve Early Retirement with Josh Randall

31 Aug 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Money doesn’t buy happiness – but it can give you the freedom to live a truly extraordinary life, something our guest today can really speak to! W...

241: From Local Flips to Raising Funds and Turnkey Investing Around the Country with Jeff Wallenius

24 Aug 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Is it possible to go from firefighter to real estate mogul? Just ask Jeff Wallenius, who started with a single flip, financed entirely with hard mone...

240: Flipping Your Way Out of (Student Loan) Debt & the Transition to Rentals with Brentin Hess

17 Aug 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Financial debt (like student loans or credit cards) is irritating, expensive, and flat-out dangerous. But you don’t have to be stuck paying the mini...

239: Achieving Financial Freedom at Age 32 with Austin Fruechting

10 Aug 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Many people dream of achieving financial freedom, but how many actually get there? Today on The BiggerPockets Podcast, you’ll meet one man who did...

238: Becoming a Real Estate Millionaire on a Teacher’s Salary with Michael “Swanny” Swan

03 Aug 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Is it possible to invest in real estate if you live in an expensive market—and earn a teacher’s salary? According to today’s guest, it’s not o...

237: Partnerships & BRRRR Investing While Working Full-Time With Ian Reeves

27 Jul 2017

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode of The BiggerPockets Podcast, we’re excited to talk about two incredibly powerful strategies any real estate investor (new or exper...

236: From Tragedy to Broke to $400,000 a Month with Lance Wakefield

20 Jul 2017

Contributed by Lukas

How does one scale a real estate investing business to hundreds of thousands of dollars in profit in under two years? That’s the topic on today’s...

235: How to Find and Fund Real Estate Deals with Anson Young

13 Jul 2017

Contributed by Lukas

From the millions of people who come to BiggerPockets each month, there are two issues that we hear about over and over and over: People can’t find ...

234: Tenants, Evictions, & The Dark Side of No Money Down with Ryan Murdock

06 Jul 2017

Contributed by Lukas

People often toss around the term “passive income” when it comes to owning rental properties. And, in truth, there are ways to make managing tenan...

233: 15 Deals in the First 18 Months with Arianne Lemire

29 Jun 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Some investors get started slowly—a deal here, a deal there. But for Arianne Lemire, going slow was not an option. Arianne began investing just a ...

232: The Four Lead Sources Nathan Brooks is Using to Flip 120 Houses a Year

22 Jun 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Why do some people struggle finding one single real estate deal, when others are finding dozens each month? What’s the secret to getting consistent ...

231: A Simple Strategy for Doing 25 Deals a Month with Brett Snodgrass

15 Jun 2017

Contributed by Lukas

There are a lot of “shady” people in the real estate space, and wholesalers tend to be the worst offenders. So today on The BiggerPockets Podcast...

230: Real Estate Investing as a Side Hustle with Grammy-Winning Producer Seth Mosley

08 Jun 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Real estate doesn’t need to be a full-time business, but it can be a fantastic side hustle! That’s the topic on today’s episode of The BiggerPo...

229: Early Retirement Through Short-Term Rental Properties with Zeona McIntyre

01 Jun 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Not everyone wants to work a “real job”—but luckily, real estate investing can offer financial freedom for those willing to put in the work. Tod...

228: Partnerships, Landlording, and Getting Started in Real Estate with Meghan McCallum

25 May 2017

Contributed by Lukas

A lot of newbies get stuck when trying to get their first few deals. After all, figuring out how to find properties, how to get the money needed to bu...

227: From Single Family Houses to $130,000,000 in Multifamily with Joe Fairless

18 May 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Scaling: It’s a term often tossed around in business and real estate, but what does it actually look like? Today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, you...

226: From D-Student to $400,000 in Annual Rental Property Cash Flow with David Osborn

11 May 2017

Contributed by Lukas

What does true wealth look like? Is it simply money or something more? And how does one achieve that wealth? That’s the topic on today’s episode o...

225: Surviving a Real Estate Crash and Investing Out-of-State with Kathy Fettke

04 May 2017

Contributed by Lukas

A lot of investors love to talk about the good times. But for life-long real estate investors, failure is often inevitable, especially during real est...

224: Building a Process to Buy 17 Deals a Week with Chris Clothier

27 Apr 2017

Contributed by Lukas

What does it take to buy 17 deals a week? What if we told you it was the exact same process needed to buy just one deal per year? That’s the topic ...

223: How to Become Set for Life Through House Hacking, Frugality, and Maximizing Your Income with Scott Trench

20 Apr 2017

Contributed by Lukas

A lot of people want to achieve financial freedom—but many who start the journey never arrive. So what’s the best way to truly set yourself up for...

222: Lessons Learned from 40+ Years as a Real Estate Investor with Jay Hinrichs

13 Apr 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Success leaves clues! Rather than trying to figure it all out on your own, why not listen to someone who has been involved with nearly every aspect of...

221: Buy and Hold Real Estate—What Works and What Doesn’t with Tim Shiner

06 Apr 2017

Contributed by Lukas

A lot of people want to invest in rental properties, but a lot of people also fail when they jump in. Why? That’s the topic on today’s episode of ...

220: Student Rentals, Multifamily, & the Silent Cash Flow Killer with Jesse Fragale

30 Mar 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Many people buy real estate hoping to make great cash flow. But all too often that cash flow is quickly eaten away by a silent but deadly thief. In t...

219: Private Lending, Turnkey, and Crowdfunding Real Estate with Dr. Kenyon Meadows

23 Mar 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Many people invest in real estate hoping to make “passive income” but instead find they work more than they would at a day job! But not all real e...

218: Driving for Deal Flow and Remarkable Educational Marketing with Erik Stark

16 Mar 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Why is it some investors buy deals every single month, when others look for years without landing a single great real estate deal? Two words: deal flo...

217: How to Work Less and Earn More Using the 80/20 Rule with Perry Marshall

09 Mar 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Every day, our lives are consumed by things that simply don’t amount to much. In fact, most of your successes will come from a very small percentage...

216: Buying 150 Houses and Experiencing a Financial Meltdown with Damion Lupo

02 Mar 2017

Contributed by Lukas

On today’s episode of The BiggerPockets Podcast, we’re pumped to introduce you to Damion Lupo, an experienced real estate investor and hard mone...

215: Condo Conversions, Student Rentals, and Profiting in a Hot Market with Ricky Beliveau

23 Feb 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Boston is a tough market. Prices are high, but even high rents aren’t enough to make it profitable to invest. Ricky Beliveau makes money by rentin...

214: Building a $30M Fund to Invest in Real Estate with Joel Sherlock

16 Feb 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Some investors buy a single house. Some buy a small multifamily. But today on The BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down with someone who jumped into rea...

213: Investing in Real Estate without Being a Landlord with Noah Kagan

09 Feb 2017

Contributed by Lukas

If there is one thing you can know for sure by listening to the BiggerPockets Podcast, it’s this: There are a LOT of ways to invest in real estate!...

212: Buying a 115-Unit Apartment Complex for No Cash Out of Pocket with Brian Murray

02 Feb 2017

Contributed by Lukas

How much does it cost to buy a large apartment complex? Millions? Think again! On today’s episode of The BiggerPockets Podcast, we’re excited to ...

211: Investing in Out-of-State Rentals and Notes with Bob Malecki

26 Jan 2017

Contributed by Lukas

What’s the best way to invest in real estate when the numbers don’t make sense in your backyard? Today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down ...

210: My First Deal Changed My Life! A Newbie Show with Sunny, SunMarie, and Sam

19 Jan 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Can a single real estate deal change your life? Definitely! That’s the topic on today’s “newbie episode” of the BiggerPockets Podcast, where ...

209: Flipping 83 Homes in the Last 18 Months with Kevin Carroll

12 Jan 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Is small thinking holding you back? Not after this episode! Today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, Josh and Brandon talk with Kevin Carroll, a real est...

208: Buying 41 Units on Your First Deal + Mobile Home Park Investing with Jack Baczek

05 Jan 2017

Contributed by Lukas

Most people begin their real estate investing with a small single family purchase. Some even start with a duplex or triplex. But today’s guest on th...

207: How to Achieve Greater Success by Doing Less with Devin Elder

29 Dec 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Real estate investors wear a lot of hats, especially in the beginning: contractor, bookkeeper, receptionist, and more. But if you truly want to grow y...

206: Taking Massive Action to Do 20+ Deals in Two Years with Joe England

22 Dec 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Two years ago, Joe England was just a full-time military guy, dreaming about financial freedom. Now, he’s done over 20 deals and is taking massiv...

205: Snowballing from Single Family Houses to Apartment Complexes with Jered Sturm

15 Dec 2016

Contributed by Lukas

How does one transition from doing simple houses to more complex deals? That’s the topic on today’s episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast, where w...

204: Flipping 30+ Deals by Age Twenty-Five with Chris Gill

08 Dec 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, you’ll hear from Chris Gill, a real estate investor in the San Antonio market who has only been investing for ...

203: Finding Deals, Funding, Contractors, and Mentors with Matt and Liz Faircloth

01 Dec 2016

Contributed by Lukas

When learning how to invest in real estate successfully, most people struggle finding four things: mentors, contractors, deals, and funding. That’s ...

202: Escaping the Rat Race Through Rental Properties with Mark Walker

24 Nov 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Most people dream of getting out of the “rat race,” quitting their day job, and living on passive income sources. However, usually that’s just w...

201: Flipping 100+ "Zombie" Houses with Justin Stamper

17 Nov 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Dead “zombie” houses are everywhere — just waiting for you to bring them back to life if you are willing to take the risk! That’s the story we...

200: A Step-by-Step Guide to Buying Your First Real Estate Investment

10 Nov 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to the BiggerPockets Podcast show 200! We wanted to create a show that we could point people to in the future as an ultimate resource for b...

199: 25 Doors by Age 25 with Houssein Al-Eidan

03 Nov 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Real estate investing is no longer just for older generations! Today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down with Houssein Al-Eidan, an accountant...

198: Financial Freedom Through Small Multifamily Rentals with Eric Bowlin

27 Oct 2016

Contributed by Lukas

How many rental units does it take to achieve “financial freedom?” Maybe not as many as you think! That’s the topic on today’s episode, where ...

197: Starting with $10k and Buying 52 Units in 3 Years with Chris Heeren

20 Oct 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Get ready to be inspired, amazed, and blown away with today’s BiggerPockets episode! Today on the show we’re sitting down with Chris Heeren, a re...

196: LLCs, House Hacking, and Saving on Taxes with Brandon Hall

13 Oct 2016

Contributed by Lukas

What has five letters but causes so much fear that millions of wannabe investors never get started? That’s right: TAXES. But taxes don’t need to ...

195: Financing College Rentals & Mobile Home Parks Using Remarkable Creativity with Rudy Curtler

06 Oct 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Trying to build a real estate empire while working a full-time job can be tough, which is why many people decide to use a partner to maximize their re...

194: Achieving Impressive Spreads Through High-End Flips with Justin Silverio

29 Sep 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Is your ultimate goal to increase the spreads of your investments to the point where you can comfortably quit your job? Tune in for a conversation wi...

193: Finding and Managing Rental Properties While Working Full-Time with Steve Garner

22 Sep 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Everyone knows rental properties can be a great way to build wealth and cash flow. Yet so few people ever take the steps needed to build their portfol...

192: Income from Cash Flow but Wealth from Appreciation with Russel Brazil

15 Sep 2016

Contributed by Lukas

“I can’t invest in real estate — everything is too expensive” is a common statement used by newbie real estate investors across the world. Bu...

191: Buying Out-of-State Rentals and Investing Later in Life with Bill Manassero

08 Sep 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, we’re excited to introduce you to a man who didn’t start investing until later in life but has built an impr...

190: Building 61 Different Passive Streams of Income with Pat Hiban

01 Sep 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Are you building vertical or horizontal income in your life? If you aren’t sure, don’t miss this exceptionally important episode of the BiggerPoc...

189: 500 Deals, the $100,000 Wholesale Paycheck, & the Systems That Make it Work with Tarl Yarber

25 Aug 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Are you looking to ultimately work less, travel more, and life proactively rather than reactively? The key to this life is found in systems. And on to...

188: Using 20+ Years of Studying Market Cycles to Buy Low & Sell High David Gudmundsen

18 Aug 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Is the real estate market about to collapse? Do we have 10 more years? What’s the future hold? While no one can definitively answer these questions...

187: Building Wealth Through Older Small Multifamily Properties with Dana Bull

11 Aug 2016

Contributed by Lukas

In this episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast, we talk about a subject many investors debate about: investing in OLD properties. Today’s guest, Dan...

186: How to Get Your First Few Properties - Even in a Competitive Market with Dave Meyer

04 Aug 2016

Contributed by Lukas

There are a lot of excuses people use for why they don’t invest in real estate. Maybe they work too much. Maybe they don’t have any money. Maybe t...

185: How “Rent-to-Own” Can Increase Cash Flow and Maximize Equity with Bill Powers

28 Jul 2016

Contributed by Lukas

On today’s episode of The BiggerPockets Podcast, Josh and Brandon sit down with Bill Powers, a real estate investor from the Chicago suburbs, to ...

184: From Real Estate Agent to 800+ Deals with Bill Lublin

21 Jul 2016

Contributed by Lukas

In today’s humorous episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast, you’ll meet Bill Lublin, a real estate expert who has invested in over 800 deals while...

183: Achieving Financial Independence Through Rental Properties with Sarah Pritchett

14 Jul 2016

Contributed by Lukas

What does it take to achieve financial independence? Thousands of deals and a 100+ hour work-week hustle? Not according to today’s guest! Today we b...

182: 674 Multifamily Units in Three Years with Jake & Gino

07 Jul 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Whether you own a single property or 1,000 units, systematizing your business is the key to growth. That’s why we’re excited to introduce you to ...

181: Finding Deals & Scaling in a Competitive Market with Lauren Hardy

30 Jun 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Let’s be honest: It can be tough to find a great deal in today’s competitive real estate market. If you find yourself in that situation, you are g...

180: 58 Deals by Age Twenty-Three with Devan McClish

23 Jun 2016

Contributed by Lukas

What were you doing at 23 years old? Probably not building 17 houses like today’s guest! That’s right — our guest today on the BiggerPockets ...

179: Doing the “Impossible” by Buying 100+ Units in His First Two Years with Dale Hensel

16 Jun 2016

Contributed by Lukas

What stops most people from achieving massive success through real estate? Money? Cheap properties? Knowledge? According to our guest today, it’s fe...

178: From House Hacker to House Flipper & Landlord with Charlie Kao

09 Jun 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Trying to build a real estate portfolio when you are brand new and work a full-time job can be tough. That’s why today we are excited to bring you a...

177: Using Fixer-Upper Rentals (BRRRR) to Achieve Financial Independence with Ben Walhood

02 Jun 2016

Contributed by Lukas

When you hear the acronym “BRRRR,” what comes to mind? Winter? Well, today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, we’re going to talk about BRRRR — a...

176: How to Close 100+ Deals In Your First 18 Months with Tom Krol

26 May 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Everyone knows it’s tough to find deals in today’s real estate market — but somehow our guest today, Tom Krol, didn’t get that memo! In his f...

175: The Power of a Team to Build a Multifamily Real Estate Empire with Mike O’Connor and Matt Wood

19 May 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Building a real estate portfolio can be challenging — but taking others along for the ride can help everyone achieve incredible results. That’s th...

174: Lessons Learned From 2,000+ Transactions Over 44 Years with Dave Short

12 May 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Around BiggerPockets, we often encourage newer investors to sit down with an experienced real estate investor to “pick their brain” and soak up th...

173: Flipping 100+ Houses in an Expensive, Competitive Market with Steve Jones

05 May 2016

Contributed by Lukas

House flipping can be incredibly profitable and fun — but for many people, trying to make it work is next to impossible because of the high cost of ...

172: Breaking Into Apartment Investing with a 100-Unit First Deal with Jonathan Twombly

28 Apr 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Have you ever dreamed of owning large apartment complexes? If so, don’t miss this powerful interview with Jonathan Twombly, a real estate investor ...

170: The Journey From Flipping Houses to Owning 1,470 Units with Andrew Cushman

14 Apr 2016

Contributed by Lukas

On this inspiring episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down with real estate entrepreneur Andrew Cushman to learn how he went from a full-t...

169: Using Hustle and Persistence to Build Wealth Through Real Estate with David Greene

07 Apr 2016

Contributed by Lukas

What does it take to truly find success in real estate — especially when you make an average salary and live in an expensive city? That’s the to...

168: Building Hundreds of Homes to Sell or Rent with Cameron Skinner

31 Mar 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Today we’re excited to bring you an interview with a savvy investor who’s done over 500 deals — Cameron Skinner. Cameron got his start with new...

167: 0 to 25 Units in Your First Year (Part-Time!) with Kevin Wood

24 Mar 2016

Contributed by Lukas

People have a lot of excuses about why they aren’t’ investing in real estate. “I work too much.” “I live in an expensive area.” “I don’...

166: How Modeling Greatness Can Get You To 100+ Deals with Matt Aitchison

17 Mar 2016

Contributed by Lukas

One of the best ways to achieve incredible results in your life is to model others who have succeeded before. At least- that’s how our guest today ...

164: Scaling from 0 to 400+ Deals Through Real Estate Entrepreneurship with Steve Mills

03 Mar 2016

Contributed by Lukas

What’s it truly take to go from beginner to advanced in real estate? On this episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down with Steve Mills, ...

163: Making Your Real Estate Business Soar While Working a Full-Time Job with Bill Allen

25 Feb 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Having a full-time job can make investing in real estate tough. However, with the right systems, people, and plan, your business can thrive no matter ...

162: How to Pay Less to the IRS with Amanda Han, CPA

18 Feb 2016

Contributed by Lukas

No one likes paying taxes, so let’s talk about how you can pay FAR less to the IRS! On today’s show, we sit down with real estate investor and CP...

161: Turning Good Income Into Incredible Legacy Wealth with NFL Star Ryan Broyles

11 Feb 2016

Contributed by Lukas

A lot of people make good income from their jobs, but few are able to turn that income into lasting, generational wealth. That’s why we’re super p...

Getting Started Investing in Real Estate - An Interview with My Real Estate Mentor

04 Feb 2016

Contributed by Lukas

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160: From 0 to 50 Flips in 5 Years (While Still Working a Job!) with Stefanie Marshall

04 Feb 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Today on the BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down and chat with Stefanie Marshall, an investor from Northern California who has flipped more than 50 ...

159: How to Build a Real Estate Business That Buys 60 Deals a Year with Nathan Brooks

28 Jan 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Anyone can buy a house. However, it takes a special kind of business (and business owner) to buy dozens of deals every year. That’s the story on tod...

158: An Easy-to-Follow Blueprint for Building Your Real Estate Deal Pipeline with Jeff DeCarlo

21 Jan 2016

Contributed by Lukas

Great real estate deals can be hard to find in a competitive market. So how do some investors manage to find multiple deals every month? That’s the ...

157: A Simple Morning Ritual to Help You Dominate Every Area of Your Life with Hal Elrod

14 Jan 2016

Contributed by Lukas

He was clinically dead for six minutes. No heartbeat. No sign of life. But Hal Elrod came back from this devastating event and has impacted millions...

156: Lifestyle Engineering Through Commercial, Residential, and Vacation Rentals with Mark Spidell

07 Jan 2016

Contributed by Lukas

On this episode of the BiggerPockets Podcast, we sit down with Mark Spidell, an investor from the great state of Colorado, to discuss how he uses re...

155: From Zero to 200+ Deals in Five Years with Sharad Mehta

31 Dec 2015

Contributed by Lukas

Boom! Prepare to be blown away by this unbelievable interview with an investor who’s gone from nothing to more than 200 deals in just five years! Yo...

154: Finding Incredible Deals to Flip or Rent from 3,000 Miles Away with Bob Couture

24 Dec 2015

Contributed by Lukas

Finding deals in your own backyard can be tough — but today we’re talking to a guest who finds incredible deals from across the country! Bob Coutu...