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Bitcoin Takeover Podcast

S16 E31: Andrew Camilleri ”Kukks” on Ark, BTCPay Server & Open Source Bitcoin Software

27 Jun 2025

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Andrew Camilleri, better known as Kukks, is one of the most prolific contributors to BTCPay Server & an advocate for using bitcoin as money. Recently, he started building Bitcoin Layer 2 applications for Ark Labs & believes in conservative improvements. Time stamps: (00:00:49) Introduction & Andrew’s Background (00:01:46) Getting Into Bitcoin & Altcoin Integrations (00:03:02) Focusing on Bitcoin & Monero Plugin (00:04:04) BTCPay Plugins & Community (00:04:22) Bitcoin’s Imperfections & Altcoin Use Cases (00:04:55) Pessimism & Stagnation in Bitcoin Development (00:05:16) Introduction to Ark & Its Evolution (00:06:10) Ark’s Technical Evolution (00:07:31) Ark’s Impact on Developer Morale (00:07:36) What is Ark? (00:09:08) Ark’s Virtual Ledger & Dust Problem (00:09:59) Off-Chain Payments & User Experience (00:11:07) Lightning Network vs. Ark (00:13:21) Custodial Lightning & Ark’s Broader Goals (00:15:13) Escrow & Multisig Use Cases (00:16:09) Bitcoin’s Usability & Fee Volatility (00:16:51) Miners & Second Layer Economics (00:19:08) Drivechains & Network Fragmentation (00:21:38) Rollups, ZK Proofs, and Simplicity (00:25:53) CTV, Musig2, and Soft Forks (00:28:12) OP_CAT, Collider Script, and Efficiency (00:32:38) Cost, Privacy, and Coinjoin (00:36:12) Stablecoins, Payments, and Swapping (00:38:14) Privacy, TumbleBit, and Ark’s Superiority (00:41:03) Expiry, Operators, and User Experience (00:44:14) Becoming an Ark Operator (00:47:31) Fedimints, Liquid, and Privacy (00:49:41) Security Against Operator Theft (00:51:31) HODLing, Expiry, and Automation (00:53:37) Payment Finality & Pre-Confirmation (00:57:49) Government Attacks & Decentralization (01:02:51) Ark’s User Experience & Wallet Integration (01:05:11) Lightning Interoperability & Partnerships (01:07:48) Arkade OS & Arcade Script (01:13:06) Underrated Use Cases: Escrow & Synthetic Assets (01:18:29) BTCPay Server’s Impact & Bitcoin Payment Adoption (01:22:23) Speculation, Regulation, and Medium of Exchange (01:24:20) Litecoin, Extension Blocks, and Privacy (01:26:01) Coinjoin, Amounts, and Privacy Pools (01:29:09) Bitcoin Upgrades, CTV, and Developer Frustration (01:34:27) Soft Fork Politics & Overselling Upgrades (01:41:53) Payments, Credit Cards, and Onboarding (01:44:11) Stablecoins, Speculation, and Fiat Mindset (01:48:48) Taproot Assets, Altcoins, and Control Tokens (01:52:17) Early Bitcoin Days & Escrow (01:54:53) Gaming, Digital Money, and Bitcoin Adoption (01:59:15) Speculative Attack & Fiat Demand (02:00:01) Supercycle Skepticism & Price Predictions (02:02:22) Hard Forks, Big Blockers, and Research Value (02:24:40) NFTs, Ordinals, and Free Market Transactions (02:36:28) BTCPay Plugins & Comparison to LNBits (02:43:14) Zero Conf, RBF, and Payment Risks (02:47:41) Ark’s Future: Liquidity & Decentralization (02:49:25) Testing Ark & Reference Wallet (02:51:00) Browser Wars & Internet Evolution (02:56:26) Scaling Bitcoin Payments & Libra Comparison (02:58:10) Tipping, Custodial Wallets, and Ark’s SDK (03:02:12) HODL Culture vs. Spending (03:06:07) Optimism, Pessimism, and User Adoption (03:08:13) Lightning’s Complexity & Ark’s Simplicity (03:11:18) Competition Among Layer 2s (03:14:13) Ark’s Launch, Operators, and Liquidity (03:16:08) Ark Operator Incentives & Fee Structure (03:17:08) Testing, Following, and Final Thoughts

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