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Blair & Barker

Trey Day + Phillies Fire Thomson

28 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

15.488 - 25.618 John Marossi

Welcome to Blair and Barker brought to you by Capital One. Capital One giving credit to over 4 million Canadians and counting. What's up, Barker?

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27.039 - 39.792 Kevin Barker

How you doing, bud? Living the dream. You in a better mood today or no? Yeah. Okay. A little better. All right. A little better. Why? It's raining outside. You shouldn't be. Did you take the train in? Did you drive? How'd you get here?

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39.872 - 41.013 John Marossi

I drove.

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41.033 - 49.869 Kevin Barker

All right. How's the traffic? It's Toronto. Toronto. I drove. I didn't think it was too bad today. It sucked. I don't think you can say that, can you? Well, I just did.

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54.333 - 70.369 John Marossi

Well, we got another manager fired. Not we didn't do it. Rob Thompson rinsed by the Philadelphia Phillies today. We'll be joined in a few minutes by John Marossi of the MLB Network to talk about that. That's two managers in, what, three days? Two managers in four days.

70.737 - 98.448 John Marossi

um this is kind of an interesting story uh rob thompson will be replaced by don mattingly donny baseball on an interim basis don's son preston is the general manager of the phillies that's kind of kind of interesting um david dombrowski will i would imagine have the final say in the hiring of the manager but um That in and of itself is not the most interesting part of the announcement.

98.468 - 121.023 John Marossi

According to Bob Nightingale, and it's a report that has been confirmed by other sources, David Dombrowski tried to hire Alex Cora, who was fired a couple of days ago as Red Sox manager. And Alex Cora said, nah, I think I'll take my $13 million and go down to Puerto Rico, spend some time with my family. Essentially what he was saying is, Not right now.

122.085 - 139.349 John Marossi

I mean, get back to me in November maybe, but not right now. And, you know, Kevin, this is something we talked about, and we'll talk about Trey Savage. We'll get around to it. But this is clearly the breaking news today. There really is a sense around baseball. You know, we've talked about different teams that are tire fires.

139.95 - 159.864 John Marossi

There really is a sense around baseball that the Phillies are a real issue because they've got guys on long-term contracts. They're old. You know... Their window's closing. What do you do with Bryce Harper? Is Bryce Harper going to be on board with the rebuild if you have to rebuild or even if you have to retool? He's got like another five years left.

Chapter 2: Why did the Philadelphia Phillies fire manager Rob Thomson?

166.936 - 186.372 John Marossi

So whoever takes over that team is going to basically be managing the twilight of – couple of pretty good players career that that's, that's a real handful. So, uh, Hey, we wished on Mattingly the best. out of the gate with the Phillies.

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186.392 - 193.98 Kevin Barker

Yeah, I got to be honest with you. I'm a little surprised that he took the job. I'm not. After Dombrowski basically said, you're not my first choice. I'd rather have Cora here.

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194.3 - 198.585 John Marossi

He is the interim manager. Yeah, I know that. I'm sure Don is aware of that.

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198.665 - 203.37 Kevin Barker

Oh, I'm sure it has something to do with his son. His son's the GM. I'm sure that has a little something to do with it.

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203.39 - 208.476 John Marossi

No, I also think Don took this job probably knowing there was a chance this was going to happen.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of Don Mattingly becoming the interim manager?

208.916 - 214.512 John Marossi

Yeah. You know, a guy like Don Mattingly doesn't make a move like that without being able to read the TV.

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214.532 - 230.055 Kevin Barker

Yeah, I don't know. It just seems like it kind of timing-wise, you know, when Cora got fired, now you're firing your manager because Cora's available. And then you don't get Cora, and then it's Donnie Baseball. I don't know. I mean, conversations I have with Donnie Baseball, it just doesn't seem like that would be something that would float his boat. Whatever.

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230.135 - 248.546 Kevin Barker

I mean, that's kind of what they want. You know, if Donnie Baseball's all in and thinks he can help the baseball team, I mean, he's a good talker. If you don't listen to Donnie Baseball trying to turn things around, I just don't know. All parts of their game's not very good. Defensively, they're not very good. ERA-wise, they're not very good. They're old. Runs scored. That's not a good excuse.

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248.626 - 251.771 Kevin Barker

Yeah, they're old. That's not a good excuse. They're old.

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252.052 - 254.215 John Marossi

It's not an excuse. They're just old.

254.255 - 273.039 Kevin Barker

There's no excuse. They're old. One or two guys is old. They're doing well. It's a lot of the other guys that are younger. Well, you can roll your eyes at me all you want. I'm not rolling my eyes. The older guys are the actual guys that are doing well. It's everybody else that's kind of going through things. And, you know, it's, I don't know.

273.439 - 289.342 Kevin Barker

It's just very interesting to see these kind of managers being fired this early in the year and all these changes being made. And what is that? The largest payroll in franchise history. That had a little something to do with it, I'm sure. You got the worst record in the sport history. That'll get you fired.

289.402 - 308.991 Kevin Barker

No matter what you did in the past, once he made the playoffs four years in a row, he's like the fourth manager in the history of the sport to do that in his first four full seasons as a manager. Yeah, I mean, again, this gets back to whenever you're spending this amount of money and you got an owner who don't have a ton of patience, which is that guy. This is kind of what happens.

309.011 - 323.452 Kevin Barker

It'd be interesting to see if it works. I don't know. Do you think it'll work? Don Mattingly in Philadelphia. Yeah, that's what I want to ask Samson. Like, what is the ultimate goal going forward? You know, it's like the Red Sox. You got a younger manager coming up.

Chapter 4: How do the Phillies' long-term contracts affect their future?

408.642 - 429.924 John Marossi

Anyhow, even if Cora isn't available, Cora isn't available. And your team isn't doing well. You just fire Rob Thompson and you bring, and you put Mattingly like Dombrowski is not stupid. I'm sure. Here's the thing. I guarantee you, I guarantee you that there were back channel talks before David was offered the job to Cora. Because that's the way it happens.

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429.944 - 450.773 John Marossi

Somebody knows somebody who knows somebody. You say, hey, if you're talking to that guy, do you think Alex would be interested in our job? I'm not saying Dombrowski called up Alex. Right away. I'm saying find out about that before we do it. So I think maybe that, you know, at the end of the day, Dombrowski, David Dombrowski just looked at it and said, look, the team's not doing well.

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452.396 - 466.286 John Marossi

Rob Thompson's gone. I can't replace him with Corral, replace him with Mattingly. Like, is anybody surprised? We've been talking about it for two weeks. Said he got canned? Yeah. I'm not surprised he was fired. I'm surprised Cora was fired. I'm not surprised Rob Thompson was fired.

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466.427 - 474.079 Kevin Barker

Yeah, I just thought, again, I'm going to be the guy that raises her hand and goes, what's the point? Like, how does it get better because she fired your manager? Is that all you're doing?

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474.66 - 489.443 John Marossi

Well, the Red Sox changed their entire, not their entire staff. They kept the pitching part of it. But they changed a lot of their hitting. Somebody, I think it was Lou Merloni was saying yesterday, they've got, they don't have anybody on their staff. I could be wrong.

491.009 - 499.723 John Marossi

Other than with professional experience, they've got a bunch of guys that don't have any professional playing experience in that staff.

501.967 - 515.721 Kevin Barker

Yeah, I don't know. I just wonder sort of the outcome of this. It's like the Phillies. You fire your manager, you shake up your roster. Do you do one and not do the other? Well, it's hard to shake up the roster right now. Why is it?

515.922 - 517.546 John Marossi

Because, no, have you seen a lot?

517.987 - 519.029 Kevin Barker

I don't know what you do.

Chapter 5: What challenges do the Phillies face with their aging roster?

691.609 - 719.294 John Marossi

But I... You know what? Is Bryce Harper going to be any more motivated today? Trey Turner going to be any more motivated today? He's going to get his money whether they win the next 10 games in a row or lose the next 10 games in a row. So... I think the whole idea of the whole thought process behind firing managers now is completely different. But yeah, it's not going to make your players better.

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719.394 - 744.77 John Marossi

And I think we all know that. Anytime a manager gets fired, everybody says the same thing. They fire the manager, but the players are the same. But, yeah, managers have been fired for years and years and years and years. So that's where we are with it. Trey Savage makes his 2026 season debut tonight for the Blue Jays after that 5-0 loss to the Red Sox yesterday. I want to just touch on that loss.

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744.81 - 765.389 John Marossi

Ranger Suarez was awfully good. I don't know if you necessarily need to do a lot of a deep dive into the Blue Jays' offense against Ranger Suarez. Dylan Cease, though... Had a Dillon – I'm not going to say had a Dillon cease outing. That's unfair because there weren't as many strikeouts as you'd normally get.

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765.409 - 778.547 John Marossi

But, my God, maybe his three most efficient innings at the Blue Jays to start the game and then, as you mentioned, into the stretch like he hit a wall. No, I didn't hit a wall. It's just into the stretch he was a different guy.

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778.608 - 796.193 Kevin Barker

Yeah, well, I ask around about that. And, you know, it was me asking the question about why did it look different when he'd come out of the stretch and then he was in the windup. The person looked at me like I was the dumbest person alive. But the results were different. You were not wrong with that. The results were different after the walk.

796.213 - 815.658 Kevin Barker

Optically, it looked like he was in a hurry with his lower half. That's basically what it looked like when he was kind of in the stretch and in the windup. In the windup, it looked like he was a little bit more over the rubber and wasn't in such a hurry. When he got in the stretch, normally when you got both and you're pitching out of the stretch, it means there's traffic. There's trouble, right?

815.938 - 828.511 Kevin Barker

I got to put the flame out, that kind of thing. What do you do when you know you can strike a bunch of people out? You get in a hurry, you want to do it, right? Everything sort of speeds up on you when it comes to your mechanics. And, you know, a pitching is just like hitting. Everything's good, starts from the ground up.

829.092 - 850.869 Kevin Barker

And when things aren't connected, you know, one's following the other, one's playing catch-up. One's two out in front of the other. Ball tends to miss a lot arm side up, which is what we saw with the fastball of the changeup. He was choking off the, you know, the secondary stuff that he was trying to spin, the slider and the knuckle curve. Changeup was nowhere to be found after the third inning.

850.889 - 872.203 Kevin Barker

So, yeah, I mean, it's one thing to yell and scream and try and figure out how to, you know, get the best out of you can and say you want 200 innings. But right now, what you've seen in the starts, is he capable of doing that? I think that's the question you've got to ask yourself going forward, and that's a question that Petey will have to try and figure out. The stuff's off the charts.

Chapter 6: What are the expectations for Trey Yesavage's season debut?

2496.721 - 2519.13 Ben Ennis

What? I mean, he was on the IL so long that the three of us could have mailed a letter to Citi Field that would have gotten to him, okay? We could have mailed something to check in with Lindor, and it would have gotten him by the time Soto was activated again, okay? That... In the modern time, we are inundated with means of communication. You mean he never checked in? No one checked in with him?

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2519.57 - 2533.527 Ben Ennis

It actually echoes of the fact that Aaron Judge and Soto apparently weren't talking during the free agent courtship, which maybe should have given us a bit of a clue. Soto is a great ball player.

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Chapter 7: How did the Toronto Blue Jays perform against the Red Sox?

2533.827 - 2556.9 Ben Ennis

Great ball player. And still can be the face of the franchise. Still can have great seasons. Still, I believe, is going to be a Hall of Famer. But... how this communication breakdown didn't come up during all of these exhaustive meetings. It just, it boggles the mind. And I don't know, and I realize I'm kind of stepping on my soapbox here.

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2556.88 - 2584.455 Ben Ennis

Before we sign, we as an industry sign players to these record-setting contracts. I mean, I would love to know, take the handlers away and the agents and the PR people and everything else. I want to know the person, okay? If I'm going to sign someone to a 10-year contract, I would want to not just sit down and have one meal with the agents right there, but like, multiple conversations.

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2584.675 - 2609.247 Ben Ennis

This is the closest thing to a marriage that exists in professional sports. 10 years, like the rest of your career, basically. Look at how comfortable Aaron Judge is in New York. They obviously knew him, but he knew and wanted all of it. The pinstripes, the right field, the Yankee Stadium, the captaincy, the cameras twice a day. He wanted the whole thing.

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2609.227 - 2633.349 Ben Ennis

And if I'm the Dodgers or the Yankees or the Mets, whoever it is, a big market team, if I don't know the guy really wants it, like really wants the whole thing, then you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to wait one more year for the next once-in-a-generation player I get, which, by the way, we have one every year, which I love. Right. This is this year's generational player.

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2633.369 - 2653.686 Ben Ennis

Well, guys, a generation is like 25 years. You can't have one every year. And I just think that we as an industry, we get so excited. Again, there's Otani, there's Judge, and there's not really many other guys that are in that level. And I think that we maybe get a little carried away with how we're describing players and how much they're really worth.

2654.286 - 2660.952 Ben Ennis

And we underrate, dramatically underrate clubhouse chemistry and harmony in making these decisions.

2660.932 - 2667.12 Kevin Barker

It's awesome stuff. Really well said. That's it, buddy. I'd call you if you ever got hurt, JP. I promise. I would, too.

2667.14 - 2669.503 Ben Ennis

I appreciate it, Kevin. And likewise. Likewise.

2669.643 - 2671.946 Kevin Barker

I'll check in. I'll make sure I check in on you.

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