Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Let's talk more about this non-ETF with Kathy Wood. She is CEO and CIO of ARK Invest. Kathy, great to have you with us. We'll get into the ETF conversation, but let's start with your holdings in your venture fund because I'm taking a look. It looks like your second biggest holding is SpaceX, of course, as we know. That is a private company, one of Elon Musk's companies.
Right now, in talks to potentially merge with XAI and in talks potentially to IPO later this year. I mean, as you digest these news events, how are you feeling about your current slice in SpaceX, which I believe is about 7.5% of this fund?
Yes, we're feeling great, especially the rumors are. We have no idea if it will go out at $1.5 trillion. Again, rumors, rumors. But SpaceX has big ideas, orbital data centers being the latest, and XAI, which we also own in ARKVX. is going to become a part of this ecosystem. We do believe, and I think we're getting more information now, that this is becoming more and more likely.
Chapter 2: What are Cathie Wood's current holdings in SpaceX?
So when SpaceX does make its debut on the public markets, when it lists, when it IPOs, what does that do to your fund? How do you respond to that?
Yes. The wonderful thing about ARKVX and interval funds generally, in terms of the way we've constructed this one, is that it's 20%, roughly 20% public, 80% private. And when SpaceX goes, we will obviously bump up the public position, but we don't have to sell it.
Now, it would be unusual if all of these names, SpaceX, Anthropic, XAI, if they all were to go public, yes, we would want to diversify into more private names. We don't have to sell right away. Now, the other thing that our companies really like is that they can see we have $30 billion of assets under management, and most of those are in the public equity market.
So we will be feeding these names into our ETFs as time goes on.
So Kathy, let's talk about this conundrum, right? This is one of the most fascinating topics to me that I'm writing about. You've got all these stocks, you have 500 million. Meanwhile, there's been three ETFs that have sort of, I don't know, what called bend the rules or whatever, but they've added privates into their funds. XOVR, immediately 1.5 billion. A CraneShares ETF has two privates.
And then Ron B added 22% of SpaceX and immediately assets jumped 50% in a week. Clearly, the demand is to get this in the ETF format, but it's not the right format. How is this going to play out?
It's going to be very interesting. Eric, thank you for doing the research on this. And this space is moving very quickly.
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Chapter 3: How does Cathie Wood feel about SpaceX's potential IPO?
The reason we chose the interval fund format was we could have more than 15% of our fund in illiquid assets. Now, it may be that the definition of illiquid is changing. I know we actually have gone to some of our private companies, the ones in the interval fund, saying, hey, we'd love to add you here. into our ETFs because we think this is such an important story.
All we do is focus on disruptive innovation. You are one of the biggest disruptors, let's just say SpaceX. And what we found over time is that they have been reticent So, something is changing here, Eric, and it would be very interesting to get to the bottom of it. The SEC, of course, is deregulating, so that could be part of it.
Secondary markets are beginning to grow, meaning private shares on secondary markets, so there's access there. So, maybe this definition of illiquid or less liquid is changing here.
Yeah, our understanding and Bloomberg Intelligence's understanding, Kathy, is that basically Barron classified their SpaceX holdings as less liquid rather than e-liquid. As we were talking about, we're learning that that comes from the issuer rather than the SEC. But you also make another interesting point when it comes to the private companies themselves maybe being a little bit reticent
to be in a vehicle such as an ETF. Of course, we talk about it from the issuer perspective all the time. So interesting to hear it from the perspective of the companies. But you mentioned that, you know, when it comes to going ahead of that 15 percent cap in an ETF, that that's not something that you necessarily want to do.
But have you thought about adding perhaps less than that, you know, in the realm of five to 10 percent into an ETF?
Yes, we certainly have thought about it, so much so that we've gone to the companies. And as I said, at least when we went to these companies, there was some reticence because in the worst case, let's just say, Black Swan, the public markets go down dramatically. These private positions are not marked to market every day. They could end up easily well above 15%.
And then what would a fund be faced doing? trying to find a secondary market. Now, maybe the secondary markets are becoming more liquid themselves. They're much more liquid today than they were when they first started maybe five, six, seven years ago. So we've been, I would say, from a compliance point of view, very careful about
And then, you know, our market makers are also trying to figure out what to do with this. How do they price in real time when at any minute something crazy could happen coming from one of these private companies? So there are some ecosystem challenges here.
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Chapter 4: What is the role of private companies in ARK's investment strategy?
Thank you for explaining that, by the way. We had Todd Stone of Strategas on with us last week, and he was talking about the key man risk idea for funds that are tightly tied to their star managers. And you're nothing if not a star manager. Take a listen to what Todd said.
Think of ARK. Cathy Wood is ARK. She's the face of that company. What happens when Cathy says, you know what, I'm moving on or whatever it might be. This is going to be really interesting over the next 30 years of all these established players coming into the ETF market and you're going to lose these key man, key woman risks out there.
Key woman risk. I'm just curious about the state of your succession planning over at ARK Invest if one day you want to move on to do something else.
Oh, my goodness. I can't imagine that day. Let's just say that to start. But we have a very firm succession plan here. The way we've set up the firm with directors of research, chief futurists, analysts, research associates, and really the equivalent of investment committees for each of our funds. I think any due diligence effort...
would look at what we've done here at ARK and be pretty reassured by it.
All right, Kathy, that's a good place to leave it. Really appreciate you taking the time for us on our relaunch day. That is Kathy Wood of ARK Invest. And you can read all about this drill down, plus the latest in the ETF industry, when you subscribe to my weekly ETF IQ newsletter. That is Bloomberg.com slash ETF IQ newsletter.
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