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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Subject to credit approval, Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City branch. Terms and more at applecard.com. Bloomberg Audio Studios. Podcasts. Radio. News. I'm Heidi Stroud-Rodds here in Sydney and we have a very special guest, a very special event here in Sydney this morning. It is the Goldman Sachs Australia Week Alternatives and Macro Summit.
With me here is a CEO and Chairman David Solomon. Really great to have you with us and I know you've been doing a lot of talking. We're about to make you do some more. Welcome to Australia. Thank you. Happy to be here. Wonderful to have you. Markets are really gripped by what's going on. roughly 8,000 miles away, right? The Middle East conflict is still front and center.
We don't know how extended it's going to be. You said yesterday that you were surprised by how benign markets were. Your team of strategists, led by Peter Oppenheimer, is saying buy the dip. Do you see complacency at the moment? I don't see complacency. I think there's a lot of uncertainty around the direction of the conflict, how it will be resolved, what the off-ramps are.
And I think it's fair to say when you look at markets, market reactions have been relatively benign. And I certainly could have seen over the last couple of days a little bit more volatility, but I don't think people are being complacent. I think that market participants are looking and trying to say, you know, how is this gonna play out? What's the end game?
You can see, you know, good scenarios and more difficult scenarios. And as they have more information in the coming days, in the coming week or two, you know, I think that will have an impact on risk premiums.
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Chapter 2: What insights does David Solomon share about the current market reactions to the Iran conflict?
I think at the moment, what market participants are really looking at is, Is this going to translate through to things that affect economic growth and activity, particularly energy supply chains? You know, so far, I think one of the reasons why markets are reacting the way they are is they're encouraged that there is, you know, strong support for trying to ensure that doesn't happen.
But it's uncertain. You don't know. And we'll see. In the long run for portfolio allocation, and I know Peter Oppenheimer, Sharmin Mosavaramari, you did a call for our wealth clients. You know, if you have portfolio allocation, there's nobody that's saying you should change your fundamental portfolio allocation because of what's going on.
But for traders and day-to-day market participants that think about risk premia, you know, every single day, obviously they're watching very closely. What about the people that run big, major global banks like yours, right? Do you worry about the lack of predictability when it comes to policy, when it comes to how this potentially ends and when it ends?
What's going on with your Middle East operations, for example? I worry about a lot of things. We run a big global business. We have an extraordinary team. And I think one of the things that we have to accept is the world is a very complicated place. There's always a lot of uncertainty. There's always a lot of nuance.
But we have base beliefs on how economies will perform, how the world will evolve. And we operate around that. But we always are prepared to risk manage and think about downside risks. And I think one of the things you have to do when you run a big, large financial institution is that when, you know, facts change or risks come up, you've always got to be prepared to pivot, to shift, to de-risk.
And, you know, we run our business, you know, that way always. We run a big balance sheet and we, you know, we think about that every day. But there's nothing, while these are very, very significant events and I don't want to diminish them in any stretch, you know, we've operated the firm through lots of very significant events year in, year out. And that's part of what we do.
Is it business as normal then for, say, your offices in Saudi Arabia? Is there still travel going on? What's the communication being with clients? That is complex. We've got a significant number of people in those Middle East countries. And obviously, first and foremost, we're concerned with their safety. And we're trying to do everything we can to support them and their families.
I would not say it's business as usual in those markets. All those markets for all businesses are operating work from home and And, you know, stay safe is a first priority. And so we'll just have to watch closely, you know, how things play out.
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Chapter 3: How does David Solomon assess complacency in the markets amid geopolitical tensions?
And, you know, we're very, very focused on making sure our people and their families are safe and sound. And at the moment, that's our primary focus in that part of the world. Do you think there is a bit of an existential cloud over Dubai as a financial center now? Well, you know, I do think safety and security, you know, matters.
And I wouldn't say, I think it's a little bit premature to talk about existential clouds. But, you know, if you're living and operating in a place and you didn't anticipate this, it's quite scary and it's quite unsettling. And so, as I said, our primary focus is on the safety and security of our people there. We're working very hard to make sure that we're protecting them and their families.
It's not as though the background prior to this conflict was crystal clear, right? We just came off really trying to work out what the AI scare trade was going to be like. Do you still think that when it comes to that narrative of sustainability, I know Jamie Dimon said there's some players doing dumb things, for example, does that still have further to go? Yeah.
I'm not sure I understood the question exactly. Are you talking about kind of AI investment, you know, growth? Look, AI is a fabulous, fabulous, incredible technology that is going to drive massive productivity gains through society. There's a lot of capital being deployed to grow AI capabilities around the world. Some of that capital is going to get reasonable returns.
Some of that capital is not. They're going to be winners. They're going to be losers, as within any technology super cycle. I think we're early in that process, but I think it's exciting. And I actually look at the glass being half full. That doesn't mean that there won't be capital that's burned, companies that don't work out.
But I think overall, the benefits to enterprise, productivity, the economy broadly, as this technology gets developed and deployed, is going to be quite exciting. And I'm looking at the optimism of what's ahead from it.
this and of course try to manage the risks and the downside the speed bumps that will inevitably come along the way i like that earlier you said you know in your job you worry about a lot of things right trade tariffs u.s policy is obviously one of them and i think this is the first time we've spoken to you since the supreme court passed down their judgment does the further lack of predictability on trade policy is that also a concern when it comes to business sentiment when it comes to your views on how the u.s economy is going to cope
I think uncertainty does affect business sentiment broadly, but I just say I don't think that at the moment U.S. trade policy is that uncertain. I think this administration has been clear about how they intend to drive a trade policy. I think the Supreme Court decision affects a... a certain discharge of tariffs into the economy, but there's certainly other avenues for the president.
I think the president's made quite clear how he thinks about tariff and trade, and I think while this administration is in place, that is gonna be a construct that we have to operate in. Of course, if there could be more certainty around exactly how that looks, and I think the important thing is how it will look
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Chapter 4: What factors influence market participants' views on economic growth and energy supply chains?
But this has always been an important market, an important economy for Goldman Sachs, and I think that's consistent in any environment. So I was here the same week last week, and I'm excited to be back again this year. What else are you excited about around the region? As a house view, Goldman Sachs is very bullish on China. It's, of course, National People's Congress week as well.
What's your feel about that market, given some of the crosswinds on trade, on tech, on geopolitics? China is one of the largest economies in the world. It's going to continue to be one of the largest economies in the world. At the moment, I'm very focused on the bilateral relationship between the U.S. and China.
I'm looking forward to President Trump's visit with President Xi that's planned for later this month, the beginning of April. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of that and whether or not China and the U.S. can make more progress on their bilateral relationship. I think that's important for growth in the world, and I think it's important for both the U.S. and China.
And I think at the moment that's fragile, and so I'm very curious to see how that progresses. In the meantime, Chinese markets have done very well in the last 12 months. That's increased capital flows into the region. We obviously participate in that, but we're going to watch those bilateral meetings and progress in the bilateral relationship very closely.
What would you like to come out in terms of deliverables from that meeting?
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Chapter 5: What is Goldman Sachs' strategy regarding portfolio allocation during uncertain times?
I'd like to see more certainty and clarity around how the bilateral relationship will work going forward. I think there are things that the U.S. wants and things that China wants. I'd like more clarity around what that's going to look like, not just in 2026, but over the coming years. And I think that's still relatively uncertain. What are we not talking about enough?
I know we've talked a little bit about private credit. You don't think it's sort of a systemic risk at this point? I think credit formation around the world is really correlated to economic growth and economic activity. I do think that we've gone, if I just look at the U.S.
market, which is obviously, when you talk about private credit, a very, very large market in the context of private credit, we've gone a long time without a credit cycle. We've gone a long time without a recession. I do think when you have these long-dated cycles, there are a variety of things that happen. One, credit spreads narrow.
to lending standards, people have more capital to play, they get aggressive, lending standards deteriorate a little bit, due diligence standards deteriorate, and so we're watching very closely to see if there's been a little bit too much aggression, frothiness in those markets, but fundamentally, when you look at the underlying credit portfolios, particularly below investment grade credit, while there have been a bunch of idiosyncratic events where there have been problems, the broad portfolios are performing reasonably well.
Why are they performing reasonably well? Because the economy is doing fine. And it's very hard to have broad underperformance and a broad diversified credit portfolio if the economy is doing well. When we do have a slowdown in the economy, you will see it. I think because of the length of the cycle, you probably will find places where the losses are higher than people expect.
We're very, very focused on back leverage and things that could affect or amplify in a more difficult economic environment. you know, credit deployment. But at the moment, when you look broadly across portfolios, we're not seeing things that are super concerning.
That's a completely different issue than retail participation and retail investors wanting liquidity from what are fundamentally illiquid products. And so that's getting a lot of attention, but that's different than the underlying credit portfolios. But I do think...
That when there is a slowdown in the economy or we do get to a place where we have, you know, a recession, you're going to see losses in credit portfolios. And, you know, those losses could be meaningful. But, you know, we'll watch that closely while the economy is chugging along. You know, that's not the primary focus.
David, I know we must let you go, but we really appreciate you giving us your time in a very, very busy schedule. Thank you so much for joining us. Absolutely. Great to be with you. Thank you for having me. Also, Goldman Sachs Chairman and CEO David Solomon here at the Australia Week event.
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