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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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In my mind, the shroud proves the resurrection of Jesus. It's scientific proof. So this means the body emanated out. What kind of power? 34 billion watts. But it doesn't burn it. Where I want to help modern Christians is this. It is important to have evidence. Yeah. It is important to have an evidence-based belief. That's good, man.
When I was on Sean Ryan, my favorite question he asked, he's like, I thought it's just about faith. Like, why do we need proof? Yeah. And I remind people, well, the early disciples needed proof. There's 138,000 words in the Greek New Testament, and not a shred of those words would have been written had they not had many infallible proofs. That's Acts 1-3, that Jesus was seen.
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Chapter 2: How does the Shroud of Turin serve as proof of resurrection?
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And they get weird here.
I love it.
Thank you for being willing to come on and how you ended up on our show, because I think a lot of people pass pass. Those guys are a little strange and weird, but what are your thoughts on Bigfoot? You know, the show, that's what we start.
That's where we start. I take all eyewitness accounts. Seriously. How can you not? I mean, I have an inclination as a historian, eyewitness testimony is huge for me. And one thing that I've not personally had a Bigfoot encounter, but I actually sent out an email to our societies. People can go on my email list, christianthinkers.com. And we have a very active society.
And I said, I need a real deal Bigfoot stories. I need to blow these guys' minds with a Bigfoot story. So can I read you what was sent to me? I read it last night. I love your crowdsourcing. I got this Bigfoot question. It's like, I want to be ready. I want to be prepped. This gentleman, Josh, writes back, I just noticed an email you were asking about a Bigfoot story.
I'm sure there are many more engaging stories. While my father and I were assisting the underground church in China, my dad ended up in Tibet on a bus, and he was asked by a local to come visit the village. The village was a couple days walk from the last supply town where public transportation ended.
through the meeting, a friendship emerged and my dad took my sister and on subsequent trips to his village over the years. Yeah, we were Americans. So we did have to sneak around the border to get into China because of the American visa issue. Um, I had read of reports earlier about Bigfoot sightings in Tibet.
And so when we were out in the mountains hanging out with the locals, I thought it would be awesome to ask them directly since they were so disconnected from the outside world. Their villages literally looked like they were from a thousand years ago. Anyway, we had a monk that had been with the Dalai Lama and had gotten saved, and he was our translator. So check this out. Josh continues.
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Chapter 3: What evidence supports the existence of Jesus outside the Bible?
You have the number one book. Yeah. We were talking about this before. Number one. The Jesus Discoveries is New York Times' number one book. Of course, you're on Sean Ryan here in town for Easter episode, A Million Views. You've done, you know, Piers Morgan, Daily Wire, Michael Knowles. You went to Davos for the World Economic Forum.
And now you've really stepped it up and gone on blurry creatures. That's right. I mean, this is the pinnacle. I'm sorry it goes downhill from here. No, this is peak right now. As an academic, you get invited to Davos to talk to the World Economic Forum. That's wild. It's wild. And you're an evidence guy. So it's really good, this line of thinking for us is like you're asking, what's the evidence?
What do you think about Bigfoot? Where's the body? And you're going to leave people without any skeptical brains today.
Well, and Tucker too. I mean, Tucker's the one who kicked it all off.
Tucker. Yeah.
So yeah.
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Chapter 4: How do skeptics respond to the evidence presented?
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, he found it underwater in Alexandria. So if we're talking 80, 50, 2008, this is like the height of the empire. Well, I'm just saying that that's how far the message- And you have to understand in Judaism, we've seen Jewish magic books, Jewish incantation spells. It took Solomon's name around seven to 800 years to be used.
Solomon's name was the name that would be invoked by exorcists. And it took 800 years for his name to climb to that pedestal of being the name that they would use. And this goes back to the sons of Sceva in Acts 19. Remember, they go in and they have phylacteries on. They're wearing essentially battle garments, phylacteries.
They're wearing all their amulets that the demons are supposed to be afraid of. And that's where we get that evidential, that unique detail in Acts 19 that they went out of the room naked. meaning their phylacteries had no power over the demon. And that's when the demon says, Jesus I know, Paul I know, who are you? So they were trying to invoke his power without having that relationship.
And isn't it interesting that Jesus has made famous? And I feel like we miss this. We miss the fact that there's been more documented miracles in the last 50 years of the church than the previous 300 combined. God still works miracles today. So Jesus's name is famous quickly.
Yes. And it's not, it doesn't take a long time for that.
He'll feed you. He'll heal you. He won't charge you. And he knows you and he sees your needs. And he can heal long distance. And he can exercise demons long distance as well.
But also we know that we, I remember just talking about this. There's also these accounts in the gospels and of Jesus. the disciples going out and it doesn't work for them.
Mark 9. Yeah. They're like, we can't do this. And he's like, you have little faith. Where's your faith? Yeah. And, but you know what? My heart goes out to them at that point because it's one of the great questions that Jesus asked. Jesus asks over 300 questions in the gospels. And in Mark 9, that very passage, Jesus has just been transfigured. Some people believe, I think it was R.T.
France who thought that his body may have still been glistening coming down from the mountain. And the father is under such duress because of his son. I have four sons. I've been under duress before. And he looks at Jesus and he said, if you can do anything, will you do it? And the great question Jesus asks in Mark 9, 22 to 24, if I can, if I can. all things are possible for those who believe.
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Chapter 5: What evidence supports the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin?
And never more appropriately, he says, oh my God. Because he was a follower of Jesus and Seconda believes he is the first person since the apostolic era to see the face of Jesus. He's immediately accused of being a hoaxer. He's ridiculed until on raised photos in 1931. So the guy goes through all of this, just ridicule. You're a faker. You're a hoaxer. You could, you hoax that.
With ancient Photoshop.
Yeah, yeah, literally like ancient AI. How did he do that? It was the old Microsoft thing. Really, your question is great because 1898 is, this is what kicks off the scientific study of the shroud because until this photo was taken and we see the wounds, we see, you can even, I'm looking right now at the wound in the side. I'm looking at all of the blood. I'm looking at the wounds in the wrists.
Chapter 6: How do the wounds on the Shroud correlate with crucifixion practices?
And this would be a good point to hand you another artifact. because the shroud gets pulled that up. So you, this is not a reproduction. This is an actual crucifixion nail from the first century. Now I'm not saying it's the nail that crucified Jesus. I'm saying it's an actual first century crucifixion nail.
We know that beyond any doubt because of the square shaft and it's been hammered multiple times. I love this, let Colossians 2.14 wash over you as you hold that, that it says that all of our indebtedness was nailed to the cross. So we don't owe that sin anymore. It was paid for, praise the Lord. But it's six inches.
Was this used on someone?
Yes. And it was used many times because that's why it's curved. It's cryptic.
Chapter 7: What significance do the artifacts mentioned have in understanding Jesus' life?
It'll give you chills. The Romans wanted to minimize movement, but maximize torment. So they would often adjust the nails during the crucifixion just to inflict more pain. They were bending the nail. Bending it. And the amazing thing is... the shroud gets it right. I'm, I'm pulling up, you know, medieval art has the holes through the palms medieval. That's what medieval Christian art got wrong.
No, they did it through the wrists right here. And again, that's the shroud gets it right. So if the shroud is a medieval forgery and it's matching medieval art at the time, the holes would be in the palms, not in the wrists. Which we know wouldn't hold up the body weight. Exactly. Yeah.
Chapter 8: How can the findings about the Shroud impact modern faith discussions?
Isn't that fascinating? Jeez. Yeah. So when did the wrists start to come onto the scene as part of the discussion?
Well, the wrists- Medieval art, you're saying? The palms did. Yeah, yeah. Medieval. So much of what we think we know about Jesus comes out of medieval Christian art, effeminate Jesus, not a man's man, weak. No, this was a strong Jewish man who probably walked 20,000 miles in his ministry. Jesus probably had a six pack. You know, he, he probably was very healthy, strong. Faster than John.
That's right. No, no, that's, that's a, yeah, yeah. He probably was, even though John was faster than Peter. Yeah. But Elijah though, Elijah's like tucks his, tucks his cloak in. He runs real fast. He can move a little bit.
Yeah, absolutely. It's amazing. And what else, I mean, what else do we have there? So we've got the, the nail placement correct in the shroud. You've got, we've got the crown of thorns.
Yes. Um,
Here's the great side by side. And to your point, right? Like this at the time of this photo and also at the time of what purportedly would have been faked in that argument, the wounds, especially in the hands would have been or in the arm or the wrist would have been in the hand. So you have this problem.
with it being a medieval forgery because none of the medieval artists are saying, I'm just reiterating, would have had it in the wrist. This is not, but we know enough now about Roman crucifixion
Where do we get our information from about the crucifixion stuff that we can- From all the skeletal remains. We have remains of 21 different individuals who are nailed to crosses. It's all between the armholes, right? Yeah, all the way.
So do you think this thing's getting passed around from generation to generation? And then finally, we can take a photo of the thing.
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