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Chapter 1: What is the main hypothesis about Atlantis presented in this episode?
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The idea is that an asteroid hits the North Laurentian ice sheet and then it sends icebergs the size of stadiums raining down all along the eastern United States. You're saying chunks of ice are flying? Atlantis was destroyed by water.
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Chapter 2: How does Plato's account of Atlantis influence modern interpretations?
All of it was destroyed by water. Athens itself sank beneath the waves. It was not just Atlantis. Interesting.
We've got Caleb Jones in the house today talking all things Atlantis. The most researched guest we've ever had on the show. We're going to unravel this mystery. Join us here on Blurry Creatures as we dive deep. Check it out.
The history of our Earth is so different from what we can imagine.
The Smithsonian, if they found out about a large skeleton somewhere, was to go get it. I'm going to assume at least one person is right, because if one person's right, it busts the paradigm. It all goes back to the fallen church. And the problem with the modern-day church, they have a very truncated view of the supernatural.
This backdrop that's just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated with this Mount Hermon event. Welcome to the glory of the preacher. And this guy defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal. Are we ready to run? I got to get my game face on. How now, brown cow?
Do you want me to open it up with suit and tie?
No. No. How long has that got, man? We'll get a copyright strike on YouTube. Yeah, we don't need that. Can't do that. That's a great point. All right, we're back.
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Chapter 3: What evidence is there for the geographical location of Atlantis?
We're serious today. We thought about wearing ties. We thought about getting into it, matching Caleb Jones' energy, but instead we went camo because we're hunting for the truth today. The truth of Atlantis, Luke, we're going deep. We're going to find things that people have never found before in terms of this topic, right? Yeah, that's the rumor. Maybe not us. Welcome back, Caleb.
The most- Tireless researcher. Yeah. The most prepared in the YouTube comments of any blurry guest ever.
Yeah, that's my goal. My goal is to be prepared. Listen, when y'all sent out the word that you wanted to talk about Atlantis, that's when I knew, like the bat signal came and it was my time to answer. So my goal is to give you the most information-dense information hour, two hours, six hours, who knows, of content on Atlantis that you're ever going to find on the internet.
How much prep was this? Months. Months. Months. Even just slaving away in the research. That's right. Checking the card catalogs. Have you just had a stack? Seven microfiche. This high of Play-Doh books?
Well, not so much that.
It's more of a... I think there's enough Plato books to stack that high. There is. He wrote volumes.
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Chapter 4: How does the Great Flood relate to the story of Atlantis?
Unless you got him on Spanish and Portuguese. You can get all the languages. There's a joke there. Volumes of books. What's that movie quote? Voluminous? I don't know.
We got the complete works. That is not a stack of books, Nate. I didn't bring the library back, but we do have the source.
If it was handwritten, it would be a stack. If there's ever a tale that you don't read, that was it right there. All right, Caleb, let's get it. Where do we begin? Everyone kind of knows the story of Atlantis. We've done an episode with Doug Van Doren. We're always kind of tiptoeing around Atlantis.
It kind of comes into conversations all the time, but we haven't really done the Caleb Jones version. We're going to do a deep dive. Yeah, let's do the deep dive. Welcome.
I have started out, this is my, this is our part one. I hope we can get to a lot. But one thing I want to say, the way I want to frame this is that this is the non-myth of Atlantis. People talk about the myth of Atlantis. No, we're going to talk about the non-myth of Atlantis.
And there is actually, as most people have kind of said, there's only one source that we really know about Atlantis from. And it comes from Plato, and it comes from Plato's dialogues, the Timaeus and the Critias. So these are two sources. basically scripts of conversations.
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Chapter 5: What role does the North Laurentian ice sheet play in the Atlantis narrative?
And these people are talking. And in these two conversations, they bring up this ancient continent of Atlantis. And so the first thing that I wanted to do is to just go to these source documents and kind of just... read what we're working with and then kind of work on from there. Just like last time I was here, we read about Matthew 2 and the Star of the Magi.
Now I want to take the time to actually kind of read what we know in the original from Plato. The Atlantean source. The Atlantean source. Socrates. The first one's a Timaeus. And they're in this conversation about ancient times. And Solon is this very famous Greek lawgiver. He's kind of, I guess, the George Washington of Athens. I don't exactly know, but he was a very famous person.
History knows him as a real person. And we get the story about how he visited Egypt. And it says, we read in the Timaeus, in the Egyptian Delta, at the head of which the river Nile divides, there is a certain district, which is called the district of Sais. To this city came Solon and was received there with great honor.
He asked the priest who were the most skillful in such matters about antiquity and made the discovery that neither he nor any of the other Helen, which is any other Greek, knew anything worth mentioning about the times of old.
On one occasion, wishing to draw them to speak of antiquity, Solon began to tell them about the most ancient things in our part of the world, about Pheronius, who was called the first man, about Niobe, and about the deluge, and of the survival of Deucalion and Pyrrha, and he traced the genealogy of their descendants, reckoning up the dates tried to compute how many years ago the events of which he was speaking happened.
Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said, O Solon, Solon, you Helens are never anything but children, and there is not an old man among you. Solon in return asked him what he meant. I mean to say, the priest replied, that in mind you are all young. There is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is ory with age.
There have been and will be again many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes. The greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes.
There is a story which even you Greeks have preserved, that once upon a time Phaethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds of his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was on the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt.
Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth which recurs after long intervals. You remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones.
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Chapter 6: How do ancient civilizations connect to the myth of Atlantis?
And this was unknown to you because for many generations, the survivors of that destruction died, leaving no written word.
For there was a time, Solon, before the great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war and in every way the best governed of all cities, is said to have performed the noblest deeds and have had the fairest constitution of any which tradition tells under the face of heaven.
Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded in your state in our histories, but one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valor, for these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic, and for in those days the Atlantic was navigable.
There was an island situated in the front of the Pillars of Hercules.
The island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent, which surrounded the true ocean, for this sea which is within the Straits of Hercules is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but the other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent.
Now this island of Atlantis, there was a great and wonderful empire, which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent. And furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Hercules as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia, which is in central Italy.
This vast power gathered into one, endeavored to subdue at a blow our country, Egypt, and yours, Greece, and the whole of the region within the Straits. And then so long your country shone forth,
In the excellence of her virtue and strength among all mankind, she was preeminent in courage and military skill and was the leader of the Hellenes, and when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the Pillars.
But afterwards there occurred violent earthquakes and floods, and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men in a body sank into the earth, and the island of Atlantis, in the like manner, disappeared in the depths of the sea, for which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way, and this was caused by the subsidence of the island."
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of the asteroid impact theory on Atlantis?
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He also begat and brought up five pairs of twin male children, and dividing up the island of Atlantis into ten portions, he gave to the firstborn of the eldest pair his mother's dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and best, and made him king over the rest.
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Chapter 8: How does the episode conclude regarding the fate of Atlantis?
The others he made princes, and gave them rule over many men in a large territory. And he named them all the eldest, who was the first king, Atlas, and after him the whole island and the ocean were called the Atlantic. That's where we get the name of the Atlantic.
And the eldest of the children was the first king, his name was Atlas, and we also have, importantly, to his twin brother, who was born first after him, obtained as his lot the extremity of the island towards the Pillars of Hercules, facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world. And that is western Spain, so we have a location there.
So I want to move on, and now Atlas had numerous and honorable family and they retained the kingdom, the eldest son handing it down to his eldest for many generations. They had such an amount of wealth as was never before possessed by kings and potentates and not likely ever to be possessed again.
They were furnished with everything which they needed, both in the city and country, for because of the greatness of their empire, many things were brought to them from foreign countries. And we also have, so I've described the city. Then he wants to go to the rest of the land. It was a lofty land. It's surrounded by mountains.
And the country immediately about the surrounding city was a level plain. But beyond that was surrounded by mountains, which descended towards the sea. It was smooth and even of an oblong shape, extending in one direction 3,000 stadia. But across the center inland, it was 2,000 stadia. And so we have the plain which looks south.
The surrounding mountains were celebrated for their number and size and beauty far beyond any which still exist, having in them many wealthy villages of country, folk, and rivers and lakes. And then they have a canal. It goes to the city. It has the city with the surrounding land and water. And then it has the sizes of these. And so, you know, there's...
One, but the next two zones, one of water, other of land, they're two stadia. He's giving sizes, giving a very detailed description of this. And then that's kind of where we're going to cut off with Critias. These are the descriptions that we have. And that's really the whole that we have. And you can get some facts about what we know about Atlantis. And I've kind of summarized them here.
It's outside of the Pillars of Hercules. That's the Strait of Gibraltar. Right. And we have all of these details, and these are the details that we can sort of look for whenever we're looking for Atlantis and what it was. Another interesting thing, so we also have the sizes, which is a stadia. We kind of have a good idea of what a stadia is.
And so the center island was about 0.5, it should be 0.58 miles and 0.93 kilometers. And so the 3000 stadia is 345 miles and 2000 stadia is 230 miles. And so we have a basic rough description of Atlantis.
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