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Breakfast Business with Joe Lynam

How we can grow home-grown productivity here?

12 Dec 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

1.516 - 5.502 Joe Lynam

Breakfast Business with Enterprise Ireland on Newstalk.

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Chapter 2: What are the risks of Ireland's dependence on American multinationals?

8.772 - 29.213 Joe Lynam

there was another serious warning about Ireland's over-dependence on a small cohort of mostly American multinationals today. The ESRI said that these firms were making substantial positive contributions to the country, but potential job cuts and America's tilt towards nationalism could jeopardise that foreign investment and ergo growth in Ireland.

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29.553 - 50.241 Joe Lynam

The report also looks at how we can grow homegrown productivity here. Professor Martina Lawless is the director of the ESRI and is on the line. Good morning, Martina. Good morning. Pleasure to be here. Now, Martina, can you break down your assessment along scenario lines, i.e. how our economy would respond to a series of headwinds or scenarios?

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50.922 - 58.455 Joe Lynam

Let's start with the competitiveness scenario, whereby wages might fall notably among our big trading partners.

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59.836 - 80.038 Prof Martina Lawless

Yes. So what we're looking at is over a 10 year horizon. And obviously, when you're looking that far into the future, it's very hard to say anything with great certainty. So we're not talking really about forecasts. We're talking about the general trajectory of the economy and then a number of things that could knock it off course. One of those things is an increase in the Irish economy.

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80.018 - 100.575 Prof Martina Lawless

cost base so that we would lose competitiveness against our major trading partners. We could see that could come from many different sources. We've already seen the infrastructure gap in Ireland, costs of housing, of utilities and so on. They could make it more expensive for Irish firms to do and multinationals located in Ireland to compete on the world stage.

101.076 - 119.621 Prof Martina Lawless

And our scenario, which we calibrate as an increase in Irish costs relative to the Irish economic output, GNI star, by about 3.2% by 2030 compared to the level it would have been at otherwise.

119.641 - 127.416 Joe Lynam

So 3.2% gross national income is still not a bad rate of growth though, is it?

128.598 - 133.347 Prof Martina Lawless

It's still not a bad rate of growth. It's lower than it would have been otherwise, but it's still...

135.2 - 141.39 Joe Lynam

Oh, dear. We appear to have lost Martina there for a moment. We're going to try and get Martina back. And when we do, I'll come back to her.

Chapter 3: How does competitiveness impact the Irish economy?

181.673 - 195.354 Prof Martina Lawless

So where we see that impact is a larger decline up to a 3.2%. Actually, a similar decline in GNI star, a slightly more moderate decline in consumption and household income.

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195.875 - 213.216 Prof Martina Lawless

But in any event, pretty much all of the substantial risks that we see to the Irish economy over the 10-year horizon really come from external factors because we're so reliant on trade and an open global economy for our economic success.

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213.247 - 229.635 Joe Lynam

Yeah. In terms of the multinational sector cutting jobs here, i.e., let's say pharma starts cutting jobs rapidly for whatever reason, be that tariffs or be that, you know, efficiencies elsewhere. And what impact would that have on our growth?

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230.746 - 248.353 Prof Martina Lawless

Yes, that's the third of the sort of risk scenarios that we look at is that there would be a decline in investment and employment in those multinational sectors. And we see that reducing GNI Star by about one and a half percent. The multinationals are very important in a fiscal sense.

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248.393 - 257.867 Prof Martina Lawless

They're very important to GDP, but because they're mostly foreign companies, there's slightly less of a direct impact on GNI Star.

257.847 - 269.646 Joe Lynam

Whereas the productivity gap between the foreign investment sector and the domestic homegrown economy is quite substantial. And you had a look at that gap as well.

270.841 - 292.44 Prof Martina Lawless

Yeah, so on the slightly more kind of positive scenarios, there's been a longstanding discussion of sort of a dual economy structure in Ireland, whereas the foreign multinationals are much more productive. They've got a lot more capital investment than the domestic Irish firms. So we look at what the overall economic impact of slightly closing that gap would be over time.

292.821 - 313.199 Prof Martina Lawless

So something like if the various policy initiatives that the Department of Enterprise put out in their competitiveness strategy earlier this year increasing R&D, increasing skills in the domestic economy. And we would see that could increase GNI star by about 1.1% by 2030 over the rate that it would otherwise be at that point.

313.92 - 331.295 Prof Martina Lawless

So quite substantial returns to investing in the indigenous sector of the economy, which would also, along with the economic returns, would increase the resilience of the economy because a lot of the risks we focus on are because that FDI sector, You know, it's very important.

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