Bucknuts Morning 5: An Ohio State athletics podcast

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Bye, bye Bill O'Brien | Hello Chip Kelly?

09 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Well, that was quick. The Bill O'Brien era as Ohio State's offensive coordinator lasted all of three weeks. Is Chip Kelly next man up? Patrick Murphy ...

If BoB bolts for BC, who do we want as OC?

09 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It's Friday and there is still no resolution on the Bill O'Brien front? So much for everything getting wrapped up on Monday. Meaning, not three days...

Top targets in focus | NSD wrap | Digestible Chip?

08 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Another National Signing Day in the books. It wasn't the usual chaotic escapade given the recruiting calendar changes but the impact is clear. Our guy...

Bucknuts Morning 5: Ryan Day to meet with media today | Holtmann's last stand?

07 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It certainly is not your classic "signing day" but it is still a big day on the Ohio State football beat. The media will meet with OSU head coach Ryan...

Five-star fiesta continues | Yellowhammer State takeover? | Beantown bolt?

06 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Another weekend, another 5-star addition to the secondary. Apparently, this is what Tim Walton and Ohio State do. Is there signs of a slow down? No .....

Walton's World | What's up with O'Brien?

05 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

When Tim Walton was hired two years ago by Ryan Day, we thought it was a solid move. Oh boy were we wrong. It was a grand slam home run. Walton is ...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: What to do with Ohio State hoops | Impressions of Will Howard, Seth McLaughlin

02 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this edition of the Happy Hour, Patrick Murphy is joined by Tim Hall to talk OSU hoops. Also, Patrick gives his impressions of Will Howard and Seth...

Even more good news on horizon for Buckeyes? | Who will step up at linebacker?

02 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

There is plenty on the docket on today's show as Jonah Booker joins Dave Biddle. Ohio State has already landed the No. 1 cornerback in the country in ...

Ozzy-fest in Columbus? | Offord's possible acceptance

01 Feb 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Another day ... another key target emerges in the transfer portal? Another weekend ... another key defensive back target is visiting? It's always some...

What to expect from Buckeyes' transfers in 2024

31 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State's 5-man class of transfers is very impressive and they met with the local media for the first time on Tuesday. What are expectations for C...

High on Lowe | In the Works?

30 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It's been a few days since our guys Bill Kurelic and Mark Porter joined us. In what is now customary Ohio State offseason fashion, the Buckeyes adde...

Monday morning quarterbacking: Expectations for Will Howard | Who will be backup?

29 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We have an unprecedented situation at Ohio State with five scholarship quarterbacks on the roster, four of which have never gone through spring ball a...

Our favorite moves this month from OSU

26 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It has been a January like none other for Ohio State's football program (alright, not counting early 2003 and early 2015 when the Buckeyes won nationa...

Exit up North | Weekend commitment watch activated

25 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Michigan's title glow has dimmed as Jim Harbaugh decided to boogie for the West Coast. It's a darn shame. Who goes with Jimmy to the Los Angeles Charg...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: OSU is all in for 2024, but what if it goes wrong?

24 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Ryan Day and Ohio State have pushed their chips to the center of the table and said 2024 is their year. And there continues to be good reason for that...

National title or bust for Buckeyes? | Hotter seat for Holtmann

24 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We are not typically "national championship or bust" people here at Bucknuts. But is 2024 the exception to that rule as Ohio State is concerned? We ar...

Get Carter? | 'Apex predator' perspective

23 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

What was up yesterday? No 5-star additions for Ohio State? Weak. But seriously folks ... things are crazy good. Bill Kurelic and Mark Porter last join...

Just Sayin: Buckeys continue to dominate portal | Fong's reaction

22 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

After landing the top overall player in the transfer portal on Friday -- safety Caleb Downs -- the news couldn't get much better for Ohio State, rig...

Thoughts on Buckeyes bringing Bill O'Brien in as OC

19 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

After weeks of speculation, Ryan Day has decided to hire Bill O'Brien as Ohio State's offensive coordinator. What do we think of this move? Jonah ...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: 🍺 Talking about new Ohio State AD Ross Bjork

18 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this edition of the Happy Hour, Patrick Murphy is joined by Steve Helwagen and Dave Biddle to discuss the hiring of Ross Bjork as AD, whether it wa...

Downs dream alive? | Bjork's tune | Huge visit weekend ahead

18 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State has made several impact additions via the transfer portal. Now the fight is on to make possibly the biggest non-QB addition in portal annal...

Ohio State's NFL Draft role call with guru Dane Brugler

17 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We're thrilled to welcome back NFL Draft expert Dane Brugler from The Athletic. He treats us to several appearances each draft cycle to detail the...

Beam up Kirks | Speaking Ffrench | Tide moving out?

16 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Whew! We've actually had a few days to breathe. Ohio State's transfer portal fury has relented ... for now. But work on the recruiting trail is never ...

Stacked 2024 depth chart taking shape for Buckeyes

15 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Since the 5ish last left you on Friday, even more good news has rolled in for Ohio State. J.T. Tuimoloau and TreVeyon Henderson announced they are...

Emeka is back | Coaching news on horizon for Buckeyes?

12 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The good news continues to roll in for Ohio State at this very early stage of the offseason. Wide receiver Emeka Egbuka announced on Thursday that h...

Return engagements ... LIVE! | Staff changes | Add Alabamans? | Buckeyes QB lineage ahead

11 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Anything going on? Holy Cow. Bill Kurelic and Mark Porter are here as the news flies in fast and furious. Here's what we got for you: * LIVE announcem...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Analyzing the Buckeyes' good start to the offseason

10 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

On this edition of the Happy Hour, Patrick Murphy is joined by Bill Kurelic to analyze the good start to the offseason for OSU and what might be comin...

Is RT next priority for Buckeyes in portal? | Answering your other questions

10 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State is doing a bang up job in the portal to kick off the offseason. Thus far, the Buckeyes have landed quarterback Will Howard, running back ...

No Miss: Star RB Judkins joins Ohio State | Something special Brew-ing

09 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Sure, you expected to wake up cranky. We get it. But then you learned Ohio State added elite transfer portal running back Quinshun Judkins. That shoul...

Wave of good news for Buckeyes? | Latest vibes on Judkins

08 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

It was not that long ago when there was seemingly a flood of bad news surrounding Ohio State's football program. In fact, it was roughly a week ago. B...

Buckeyes land Will Howard | 2024 expectations for OSU?

05 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State landed quarterback Will Howard from the portal on Thursday. What are expectations for the fifth-year senior in what will be his lone seas...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Bringing perspective as Buckeyes head into 2024

04 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Patrick Murphy is bringing perspective as he analyzes the state of Ohio State's program heading into 2024, and is joined by Tim Hall from 97.1 The Fan...

Where there's a Will ... | Retention rate | Psyched for Sanchez Saturday?

04 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

We've talked here on the BM5 about this offseason's sail through uncharted waters. Some chose to hunker down and deal with big waves. Others hopped ov...

What changes need made?

03 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

The 2023 season ended with a dud for Ohio State and now there are serious questions that need to be answered. What changes will Ryan Day make to his c...

Offseason upheaval ... or not? | Recruiting trail chops update

02 Jan 2024

Contributed by Lukas

Happy New Year, 'Nutters. We have a power-packed show for you today and we sail off into '24. What to make of an abysmal Cotton Bowl performance? Who ...

What We Learned Live: Buckeyes listless in 14-3 loss to Mizzou

30 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

There are losses and then there are embarrassing losses. Ohio State's 14-3 defeat to Missouri in the Cotton Bowl on Friday falls in the latter categor...

Will Buckeyes get job done tonight? | Any smoke to Will Howard rumors?

29 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It is game day for the final time in 2023 for Ohio State as the Buckeyes will take on Missouri in the Cotton Bowl tonight in Dallas (8 p.m. ET; ESPN)....

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Breaking down Cotton Bowl week

28 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Patrick Murphy and Steve Helwagen come at you live from Dallas on this edition of the Happy Hour, as we are merely hours away from Ohio State's matchu...

Hard Cotton? | Lowe key | Return engagements

28 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Real football is coming ... Ohio State style. We are about 36 hours or so from The Cotton Bowl's kickoff vs. Missouri in Dallas. What do we make of so...

Buckeyes gearing up for Mizzou | Confidence level in Devin Brown?

27 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

We are suddenly just two days away from Ohio State's matchup with Missouri in the Cotton Bowl. The Buckeyes are now favored by a point, after being a ...

Talking Devins | Gone Bowling | Portal peek

26 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Devin Brown is set to take the stage as Ohio State's starting quarterback. Devin Sanchez is set to make a commitment that has Ohio State on the edge o...

Who might be staying, leaving for Buckeyes?

22 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On the Friday 5ish, Jonah Booker and Dave Biddle give predictions on whether certain Ohio State players such as Emeka Egbuka, J.T. Tuimoloau, TreVeyon...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Recapping a wild signing day for Buckeyes | Looking ahead to the Cotton Bowl

21 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this edition of the Happy Hour, Patrick Murphy is joined by Dave Biddle and Steve Helwagen. The gang looks back on the wild signing day for Ohio St...

NSD's rollercoaster ride | Navigating uncharted waters

21 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Sailing uncharted waters can be eventful. See: National Signing Day, Ohio State. Wow. That was a wild ride. The Buckeyes emerged largely unscathed wit...

Buckeyes to sign top-3 class | Where's the beef?

20 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State will sign one of the top-3 recruiting classes in the country today and that is of course good news for the Buckeyes. However, are there eno...

Signing Day Eve | In or out? | Portal permutations

19 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

The clock is ticking ... like really ticking. National Signing Day is tomorrow. Will Ohio State secure signed commitments of Jeremiah Smith, Eddrick H...

Monday morning quarterbacking | Flipping out?

18 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It is a quarterback-themed version of the show as Dan Rubin joins Dave Biddle. What do we expect from Devin Brown in the Cotton Bowl against Missour...

If you could change one thing about Ohio State football, what would it be?

15 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

If you could change one thing about Ohio State football, what would it be? That is the main topic of discussion on today's show as Jonah Booker joins ...

Buckeye veterans unite | Transfer target talk

14 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

So many moving parts, so little time.  Key Ohio State veterans met with the media yesterday and made their Cotton Bowl intentions known. It's going t...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Taking recruiting, transfer portal stock | What's going on with the Buckeyes?

14 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Patrick Murphy is back with another edition of the Happy Hour, with this episode focusing on recruiting, the transfer portal and the latest with the 2...

Beginning of the Brown era?

13 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It sure felt like the changing of the guard when quarterback Devin Brown was one of Ohio State's players that were made available to the media on Tu...

Newest names to know | Who stays, who goes?

12 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Who does Ohio State really want from the transfer portal? Which Buckeyes will leave for the NFL? Which Buckeyes will leave for ... 'greener' college p...

Portal progressions | Exit strategies

11 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

The transfer portal is open. Wide open. The recruiting trail is hot. Real hot. Life got in the way for your Bucknuts staffers this morning so this sh...

The Fong holds court | Latest Buckeye buzz from recruiting trail, transfer portal

08 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Recruiting trail fury. Transfer portal upheaval. Uncertainty abounds. Unless you have Steve Wiltfong. Which we do. Today. The 247Sports info specialis...

Decision day for Jordan Seaton | Portal mania

07 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It's been one of those recruitments. But today is it. The nation's No. 1 offensive tackle - IMG's Jordan Seaton - will announce his commitment. All fo...

'It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em'

06 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State heads to the Cotton Bowl it what will either be the debut of Devin Brown or Lincoln Kienholz at quarterback. It certainly makes this game a...

Is Seaton Frye's guy? | WHAC revolving door vibes | Walton's huge visit day

05 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Coming and goings at the WHAC. Coveted prospects announcing later this week. Assistant coaches prepping for super impactful road visits. It's a potpou...

McCord hits the road | What's next at QB for Buckeyes?

04 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Well, that was not the news we anticipated waking up to. Kyle McCord has decided to transfer from Ohio State. What will Ryan Day and the Buckeyes ...

Tough decisions ahead for Day, Buckeyes

01 Dec 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On Friday's show, Jonah Booker and Dave Biddle look ahead to what tough decisions Ryan Day might make this offseason. They also discuss Ohio State's...

Comings and goings | Knowles on the move?

30 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

News is flowing, 'Nutters, so you've come to the right place. Ohio State is still dealing with after effects of another loss to Michigan and now finds...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Evaluating Ohio State's performance vs. Michigan

29 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

This edition of the Happy Hour isn't all that happy as Patrick Murphy looks back on the Buckeyes' performance against Michigan and more. To learn mo...

So you're telling us there's a chance | What will happen at QB for Buckeyes in 2024?

29 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It is not dumb to dream. It would be even dumber to forget what happened just one year ago. Could history repeat itself and see Ohio State back its wa...

Decisions, decisions, decisions | Portal priorities

28 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Now what? Who stays?  Who goes?  What spots are open?  Which positions need the most transfer love? Bill Kurelic and Mark Porter joined to break it...

Picking up the pieces | What changes need to be made for Buckeyes?

27 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Buckeye Nation is in a state of depression following a third consecutive loss to Michigan. What changes do the Buckeyes need to make going forward?  ...

What We Learned Live: Buckeyes fall to Michigan, 30-24

25 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State headed to Ann Arbor with high expectations ... and left with a deflating 30-24 defeat. We pick up the pieces on this edition of What We Lea...

The eve of The Game has arrived | Confidence level Buckeyes will prevail?

24 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

This is not a drill. The showdown between Ohio State and Michigan will happen tomorrow at noon in Ann Arbor. On today's show, Jonah Booker and Dave Bi...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: It's (nearly) time to play The Game

22 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Patrick Murphy is back with another edition of the Happy Hour, this one of course focusing on the showdown between the Buckeyes and Wolverines in Ann ...

Three days and counting

22 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

We are just three days away from the showdown in Ann Arbor between No. 2 Ohio State and No. 3 Michigan, in what will likely be one of the most intense...

The Game and all the trimmings | Why McCord over McCarthy?

21 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Are you counting the days ... the hours ... the minutes? We feel you. The Game is fast approaching - just not fast enough. Bill Kurelic and Mark Port...

The Game week has arrived | Will Buckeyes win the battle in the trenches?

20 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

After months of anticipation, Ohio State-Michigan week has arrived. On today's show, Dave Biddle and Dan Rubin talk all things Buckeyes vs Wolverines,...

What We Learned Live: Reactions following Ohio State's 37-3 win over Minnesota

19 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State defeated Minnesota 37-3 on Saturday and our postgame podcast, What We Learned Live, has all the details. We analyze how the Buckeyes looked...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Breaking down Minnesota | What to take from Ohio State's win vs. Michigan State

17 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this edition of the Bucknuts Happy Hour, Patrick Murphy is joined by a Minnesota football expert to preview Saturday's game against the visiting Go...

Gopher repellant | Why the sudden 180 at U-M?

17 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State is favored by 27.5 points over visiting Minnesota tomorrow. On today's show, Jonah Booker and Dave Biddle give their thoughts on what they'...

Crystal Balls rolling towards Columbus | Channeling Spackler

16 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Minnesota is headed to The Shoe. So are Crystal Balls from North Carolina and Utah. It's a geographic potpourri of infortainment as we welcome Bill Ku...

Buckeyes fall to No. 2 in CFP | Injuries mounting?

15 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State fell to No. 2 in the latest version of the College Football Playoff rankings, which were released Tuesday night. Two-time defending nationa...

Red carpet results from weekend | Flip watch ... not so much

14 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

We hit the recruiting trail hard today with Bill Kurelic and Mark Porter. Ohio State won in style over Michigan State this past weekend and there were...

McCord levels up | Buckeyes 5.5-pt underdogs at Michigan per look-ahead line

13 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State quarterback Kyle McCord had the best game of his young career on Saturday against Michigan State. Is McCord becoming a standout QB right ...

What We Learned Live: Buckeyes maul Michigan State, 38-3

12 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State started extremely fast and then coasted to a 38-3 win over visiting Michigan State on Saturday night. Our postgame podcast, What We Learned...

Friday news dump? | OSU-MSU predictions

10 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Is today finally the day? And have we been saying that for about a week now? We are of course talking about Michigan's punishment from the Big Ten and...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Michigan State in prime time | Fixing Ohio State's offense

09 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Patrick Murphy is back with another edition of the Bucknuts Happy Hour and is joined by Stephen Brooks of Spartan Tailgate. To learn more about list...

Spartans, elite recruits in The Shoe | As The B1G Turns

09 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

What a time to be alive.  Huge weekend for the Buckeyes: Michigan State comes calling as do MANY elite recruiting targets. Huge weekend for the B1G: ...

OSU remains ranked No. 1 | When will shoe drop at Michigan?

08 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State remained No. 1 in the latest iteration of the College Football Playoff rankings, which were released last night. Steve Helwagen and Dave Bi...

Crystal Ball rolled for nation's top CB | Spartans Saturday guest list shines | New name in '24?

07 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Crystal Balls rolled. New prospects offered. Red carpet almost back from the dry cleaners. It's a huge recruiting weekend for Ohio State as Michigan S...

Hitting the home stretch

06 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

With just three games remaining in the regular season, it is crunch time for the Buckeyes. Will they run the table, win the Big Ten championship and e...

What We Learned Live: Buckeyes down Rutgers, 35-16

04 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Our postgame podcast, What We Learned Live, breaks down everything you need to know from Ohio State's 35-16 win at Rutgers on Saturday. Host Dave Bid...

Will OSU overmatch upstart Knights? | What will Petitti do to U-M?

03 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Top-ranked Ohio State hits the road to take on Rutgers on Saturday (noon ET; CBS). The Scarlet Knights (6-2, 3-2 Big Ten) have been one of the surpris...

Kurelic & Porter talk future QB, Rutgers game, Michigan situation

02 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

This show is longer than usual.  Bill Kurelic and Mark Porter are here per usual and we just had TOO MUCH to talk about. * The latest from the recrui...

Buckeyes earn No. 1 ranking in CFP | Missing Miyan

01 Nov 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State earned the No. 1 spot in the first College Football Playoff rankings of the 2023 season on Tuesday. Is this just a fun thing for fans, or d...

End in sight? | Film room with McCord | 'Nutters unplugged

31 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Welcome to the show, 'Nutters. We have a good one for you today. Bill Kurelic and Mark Porter are back.  We ran the gamut: latest recruiting targets,...

Where will Buckeyes be in CFP rankings? | Will Michigan be punished during season or after?

30 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

There is much to discuss on the Monday 5ish as Dan Rubin joins Dave Biddle. Among the items on the agenda: * The first College Football Playoff rankin...

What We Learned Live: Buckeyes best Badgers, 24-10

29 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State emerged with a 24-10 win at Wisconsin Saturday night. On our postgame podcast, What We Learned Live, host Dave Biddle gives his analysis o...

Oh what a week | Eyes on Wisconsin

27 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It was one big thing after another for Ohio State's rivals to the north this week. And we are here for it. Jonah Booker and Dave Biddle of course disc...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: Michigan Meltdown | Is Wisconsin a threat?

26 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this edition of the Bucknuts Happy Hour, Patrick Murphy is joined by Alejandro Zuniga of Michigan Insider on the 247Sports Network to get the lates...

Steve Wiltfong returns to talk Ohio State recruiting

26 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

As you observe the latest in college football espionage, let's pause to talk recruiting. Enter 247Sports Director of Recruiting Steve Wiltfong. Once a...

Bax on the cheating scandal at Michigan

25 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Bucknutters wanted to hear from Matt Baxendell on the cheating scandal at Michigan. Ask and you shall receive. Bax joins Dave Biddle on today's show t...

Red carpet diary | Khaki sign language? | Penn State film session

24 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

Ohio State rolled out the reddest of carpets and then treated its visitors to quite a performance. Meanwhile, other programs are under investigation ....

Debut of the Agree/Disagree Game | Wisconsin awaits

23 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On today's show, Dan Rubin is going to read a series of statements about Ohio State football ... and Dave Biddle will say whether he agrees or disagre...

What We Learned Live: Ohio State beats Penn State, 20-12

21 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

It was a defensive struggle and Ohio State was clearly the better team. The Buckeyes downed visiting Penn State 20-12 on Saturday to move to 7-0 on th...

Michigan cheating? | OSU-PSU predictions

20 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

We did not think we would be talking about serious allegations of cheating by Michigan the day before Ohio State's showdown with Penn State ... but he...

Bucknuts Happy Hour: We are all-in on Penn State

19 Oct 2023

Contributed by Lukas

On this edition of the Happy Hour, Patrick Murphy is joined by Tyler Donohue of Lions247 as well as national college football reporter Bill Bender fro...