Justin and Jon are joined by Jason Fried to talk about:The philosophy behind their new book Shape Up.Does Basecamp's approach to 6-week cycles differ for smaller teams?"Long projects destroy morale. When things don't ship, you get frustrated." – Jason FriedWhy projects ship late (it's human nature).Why work is like a hill.How they make product decisions at Basecamp.How do you know what you should work on next?Why they don't believe in backlogs."That feeling of 'there's nothing to do, but there's everything to do' shouldn't be happening." – Jason Fried"You need a system at some point. When you have two people, you can hack your way to anything. But as soon as you grow, you'll need a system." – Jason Fried"What we have is not a perfect system. And even if it was, we don't execute these things perfectly." – Jason Fried★ Thanks to our sponsors:ProfitWell's podcast Protect the Hustle has a new season! New sponsor: ActiveCampaign! Get the world's most advanced marketing & sales automation platform. Use the code activecampaign.com/buildyoursaas and get two months free + 2 free One-on-Ones!Show notes:Jon's launch announcement tweet (from 2018).Read Basecamp's new book Shape Up.Jason Fried commented on this Linkedin post.Hill charts.Listen to Rework Podcast's "Shape Up Roundtable."Derek Sivers' new article: My old clothes don't fitYou can reply to this podcast here:Leave a comment on Breaker, the podcast app for iPhone.Otherwise, get us on Twitter: @transistorfm or email us: [email protected] to our monthly supporters:Ben from narrowr.comNoah PrailDavid ColganRobert SimplicioColin Gray alitu.comJosh SmithIvan CurkovicBrian Rhea (Pronounced “Ray”)Miguel PiedrafitaShane SmithAustin LovelessSimon Bennett Corey HainesMichael SitverPaul Jarvis and Jack EllisDan Buda danbuda.comDarby FreySamori AugustoDave YoungBrad from CanadaSammy SchuckertDan EricsonMike WalkerAdam DuVanderDave Giunta (JOOnta)Kyle Fox GetRewardful.comProfitWellActiveCampaignProfitWell.comGetRewardful.com Thanks to our monthly supporters Pascal from sharpen.page Rewardful.com Greg Park Mitchell Davis from RecruitKit.com.au Marcel Fahle, wearebold.af Bill Condo (@mavrck) Ward from MemberSpace.com Evandro Sasse Austin Loveless Michael Sitver Colin Gray Dave Giunta 🎙️ Podcast hosting is provided by Transistor.fm.📺 Learn how to start your own podcast! ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
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