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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Hi, I'm Leanna Byrne and this is Business Daily from the BBC World Service. This is where we take an in-depth look at the global forces of money and work shaping our world. Once synonymous with family photos and holidays, Kodak was written off as a casualty of the digital age. But these days, the company wants to be known as a manufacturer.
Today, we hear from the chief executive of how the company reinvented itself and what it takes to bring an industrial icon back from the brink. You might be old enough to remember what a Kodak moment is. You think of handing in rolls of film, of glossy printed photos in your hand, organising them into albums. Even the brand is recognisable, that unmistakable high contrast red and yellow.
But those were the days when it was a consumer camera brand. And those days are gone.
We're an industrial manufacturer and we're damn good at it.
That's Kodak's chief executive, Jim Continenza. He took over the company when it went bankrupt. It was one of the most dramatic corporate collapses of the digital era.
The balance sheet was really broken. We were heavily levered and losing a lot of money.
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Chapter 2: What challenges did Kodak face in the digital age?
In 2019, February 22nd, 8 o'clock, it's not that hard, I was asked to step in as executive chair and take over the operations. And we were just, we were kind of losing our way. They tried some different things that didn't work, but that's okay. I don't ever judge anybody because you don't know what they were going through at that time.
Stepped into the role, changed the majority of the leadership team.
Jim refers to the Kodak he took over as one that had lost its way. This point is probably best illustrated by a story that he's told in plenty of interviews over the years. It's when he had a big staff meeting and asked his workers...
What does Kodak do today? I couldn't get an answer. One person said, well, we're doing the 50th anniversary of the moon. I don't even know what that means. And I thought that was really interesting. And we had to get our identity back. We had multiple divisions, multiple decision makers, multiple products. We had to get refocused.
So that's what his move was, not to reinvent the brand, but to refocus it.
I love people that have gone through distress, right? Anyone, most people can sail in beautiful winds and calm waters. It's the storm that makes the difference. And, you know, as you saw the world, especially the last seven, eight years, to just be candid, right? It's global wars. It's been pandemics. It's been shipping, logistics wars. It's been crazy politics.
I mean, it's been really interesting, right? That's all happened in like five years span. That's a lifetime for a lot of folks. And, you know, with my team, we don't really... worry about how bad it gets because we just know that we're going to manage through it. We're used to that news, you know, because it doesn't scare you.
And on the first bankruptcy, when I went through Intelligent, I never knew what was going to come off the other end. But once you go through them, you learn that it's okay. It's all okay. I guess, Lena, the best way to put it, in a distressed situation, HR, legal, and finance kind of run the business until they come out. The problem is a lot of companies keep those groups running the businesses.
That isn't their job. Mm-hmm. You got to become a manufacturer or a seller. You have to sell your way out. You can't just cut your way out.
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Chapter 3: How did Jim Continenza become involved with Kodak?
I get it. Most people can never do it. And when I look at that business, I love it. But there's different types of film too. We're doing, you know, NDT film, which is like x-ray film. We're doing other types of films, not just Hollywood films or still films. It's layering and coding that got us into battery.
We also have now built out our first pharma group to start working on heavy water, working on salines, working on reagents. That's all kind of the same network of what we do in layering and coding and chemicals and chemistry. So that's one group. And the other group is our print group. And the print group is the largest part of our business.
We make the plates that go on large printers, process replays. And we have two of the world's fastest digital machines. So we do print and advanced materials and chemicals. That's it.
One of the most consequential decisions was to keep and reinvent in film, even when it was losing money. Jim invested millions in equipment that had not been manufactured for decades, restoring production capacity and fixing how film was made and sold. Did Jim ever consider scrapping that side of the business? Would it have made his life easier to say goodbye?
When I got here, I think I was doing about $60 million and losing $48 million. I mean, I was losing a lot of money. It was broken. They didn't put money in capex. They didn't update the machinery. They weren't investing. They're letting it run down. Acetate's a primary ingredient for film, and they got rid of the factory. I'm not sure if I wouldn't say shut it down or stay or go.
It was probably on the path to wind down. We're doing 5x more. what we were doing then. And, you know, we've doubled just in the last couple of years. So, but to answer your question, and boy, Chris is going to hate this. I actually got a call from Christopher Nolan. I'm not a name dropper.
That is a big name.
That's a big name, I know. And I had a conversation with him. And his love and understanding of film is, And it was a really good conversation. I'm not going to go into detail, but it was changing for me. And he actually, one of the guys that convinced me to really get into this and understand it better, he is really clear how this art needs to continue and stay.
And the differences that film brings, you know, you see things you don't see. He's just, I mean, he's well beyond my intellect on film, but it was just amazing. And so he inspired me to really spend time in that group. Now I see it and I do shoot film. Fortunately, unfortunately, I do. And I love sunsets. Right. And you push that trigger on that camera when you pull it.
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Chapter 4: What strategies did Kodak implement to turn around the company?
Everything just went up that I bought. I just have more working capital tied up because it costs more. You know, things that are concerning me is like silver, right? $30 to $90. You know, that's just a rocket ship. You've got to work through those type of issues. But you know what? You're always going to have issues and problems.
And the advantage, I think, or disadvantage of tariffs is they affect everyone. We're all sitting in a hurricane. Well, you're all going to get wet.
Finally, Jim is known as the boss on the factory floor. He spends a lot of time walking production lines, talking to the people who actually make Kodak's products.
We've taken $260-plus million of cost out of the business, and yet we're more efficient today than we've ever been. You can't do that by yourself, and if anyone thinks they can, they're crazy. I spend my time going to see customers, and I spend my time in the factories. When CapEx has to be spent, I go visit the guys who are working on the equipment a lot of times.
I want to know, do we really need this, and why, and how will it benefit them? You got to really rely on the ones that actually drive your business. They're the ones that make your products.
So what does a boss who really values his staff think about AI?
We use machine learning and predictability for our customers on the equipment. And also we're using it for inventories. We're using it for patterns. And, you know, look at It's around. We're going to embrace it. Everyone's afraid of the PC when it came out. And I don't think there are less jobs. I actually think there are more. And I think AI is an enhancement of that.
It'll make us a better manufacturer. And that makes you more competitive. So we don't run from technology. My background is in technology, and I embrace it. I'm the guy who buys things that don't work and tries to figure them out when everybody else waits like two years.
And if you think of how Jim approached the Kodak turnaround, he doesn't seem like a guy to wait around. Kodak today is smaller than it once was, but it's more focused. It's no longer trying to be a consumer electronics brand or chase the next digital platform. Instead, it's betting that industrial skills that were once lost and painfully rebuilt still matter.
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