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Listen Now: Foul Play

15 Jun 2026

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Chapter 1: What shocking rumor surrounds Gordon Banks and the 1970 World Cup?

0.031 - 7.601 Gabriel Gatehouse

Hi, I'm Gabriel Gatehouse. And I'm Ed Jervis. And we're about to play you a clip from Foul Play.

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8.182 - 13.79 Ed Jervis

A new podcast series in which we investigate whether the CIA poisoned my grandad.

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14.13 - 25.566 Gabriel Gatehouse

And possibly laid a curse on English football. It's an unbelievable tale of sport, spies and family secrets. And here's a taster.

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Put here the name of your grandfather, please.

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36.371 - 41.138 Ed Jervis

My name's Ed, and I feel like I'm having a sort of out-of-body experience right now.

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Banks Gordon?

Chapter 2: How does Ed Jervis connect with investigative journalist Gabriel Gatehouse?

43.681 - 43.982 Ed Jervis

Yes.

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Let me check.

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48.509 - 54.237 Ed Jervis

I'm an ordinary dad of two small kids from Stoke-on-Trent in the English Midlands. I don't travel much.

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They have a little secret repository. Nobody knows.

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63.862 - 73.712 Ed Jervis

We missed this. So it feels pretty surreal right now to be in Mexico, in an old prison, digging through the archives of the Mexican secret police.

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Maybe we can find something.

78.416 - 82.62 Gabriel Gatehouse

You're putting Gordon Banks' name into a secret database.

83.377 - 94.395 Ed Jervis

I'm here with Gabriel Gatehouse, an investigative journalist, and we're looking for evidence that more than 50 years ago, in the summer of 1970, spies were surveilling my granddad.

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Yes, they have photos of your grandfather. What? Yeah.

Chapter 3: What evidence do they uncover about Gordon Banks' illness?

101.006 - 101.266 Gabriel Gatehouse

Yeah.

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102.528 - 116.014 Ed Jervis

My granddad wasn't a secret agent. He had no links to Mexico. His name has got no business being in this archive. My granddad was a football player. Maybe you call it soccer. He was quite famous, actually.

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And he almost made it, and if it hadn't been Gordon Banks in that goal, he would have done it.

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121.942 - 135.76 Ed Jervis

Gordon Banks, the world's number one goalkeeper. Gordon Banks, my granddad, was the Manning goal in 1966, the one and only time England have ever won the World Cup.

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136.111 - 149.244 Gabriel Gatehouse

Well done, Gordon Banks, the hero of England.

149.264 - 163.317 Ed Jervis

Some argue my granddad was the greatest goalkeeper to have ever played the game. So, what the hell is his photo doing in the archives of the Mexican secret police?

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They have more information. Oh my God. I know.

176.003 - 203.978 Gabriel Gatehouse

Yeah, so that other voice you hear is me. And yes, I am a serious journalist. At least, I think I am. I've covered wars and revolutions, stories about Russian spies. For two days in 2011, a contact of mine had the body of the Libyan dictator, Colonel Gaddafi, hidden in his fridge. I've reported some crazy stories in my time. But this one, I've been dragged into against my better judgment.

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Because at first sight, it seems absurd. Couldn't have happened.

Chapter 4: What theories exist about the CIA's involvement in sports?

209.626 - 236.512 Gabriel Gatehouse

Unless it did. In which case, it might just be the craziest story I've ever heard. It all started three years ago when a stranger comes up to me. You're Gabriel Gatehouse, aren't you? He says, I loved your podcast. This happens to me from time to time, ever since I did a series about conspiracy theories in America. Thanks, I say. Who are you?

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236.552 - 243.69 Ed Jervis

It's me, Ed. I tell Gabriel I've got a story for him about football. Let me stop you right there, I say.

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244.332 - 251.91 Gabriel Gatehouse

I'm not into football. I don't know anything about it. But Ed won't let it go. Have you heard of Gordon Banks, he asks.

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252.532 - 258.481 Ed Jervis

Gordon Banks, another trophy for his sideboard. John Mahoney, the substitute.

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258.501 - 267.654 Gabriel Gatehouse

Goalkeeper, right? National hero from a bygone age, when the England men's football team still won things. Yeah, even I've heard of Gordon Banks.

Chapter 5: How does Ed's perspective on his grandfather's illness change?

269.757 - 287.521 Gabriel Gatehouse

So, Ed starts telling me this story about his famous granddad and the World Cup. But not 1966, the one we won. No, the next one, in Mexico, in 1970. England were the defending champions, Ed says. One of the favourites to win.

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288.042 - 289.024 Ed Jervis

But Grandad fell ill.

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Food poisoning, apparently. Gordon Banks was too sick to play. He recovered a few days later, but England crashed out and English football was never the same again.

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304.912 - 308.439 Ed Jervis

We didn't even qualify for another World Cup for another 12 years.

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Chapter 6: What historical context is provided about the Cold War and sports?

309.041 - 311.967 Ed Jervis

And even then, it seemed like a curse had been laid on the national team.

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312.187 - 335.606 Gabriel Gatehouse

We're talking about the men's team here. The women are doing just fine. Anyway, Ed says his granddad always suspected his illness was no accident. I was nobbled, he'd say. He thought someone had got to him all those years ago, though who or how to his dying day he never knew. Ed never really took it seriously.

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336.367 - 344.376 Ed Jervis

We would just sort of laugh it off and kind of, oh yeah, all right, grandad, one too many tacos for some dodgy street vendor or whatever it was.

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344.737 - 375.302 Gabriel Gatehouse

But after Gordon Banks' death, Ed says, someone tells him, your grandad was poisoned to sabotage England. And the plot was masterminded by the CIA. The CIA? I may not know much about football, but I do know about conspiracy theories, and this looks like a classic. I mean, why would the CIA want to poison an English footballer?

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376.123 - 382.554 Gabriel Gatehouse

Something about the Cold War and supporting a military dictatorship in Brazil, Ed said. It sounded kind of ridiculous.

Chapter 7: What conclusions do they draw about the impact of this investigation?

383.416 - 411.261 Gabriel Gatehouse

I told him I'd look into it, thinking I'll debunk this straight away. Well, three years later, here I am. And the deeper I dig, the stranger it gets. Follow Foul Play on the Audible app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of Foul Play early and ad-free right now by joining Audible in the Audible app or on Apple Podcasts.

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