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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of discussion in this episode?
Welcome to the Busted Open Podcast. Along with Justin Labar, I'm Jonathan Hood. And on today's show, we discuss the best world's heavyweight champions in wrestling. Who's doing the best work in 2026 as champion? Find out next on the Busted Open Podcast. This is the Busted Open Podcast. I was going through my timeline, Justin.
I saw that there was an event that happened for New York sports yesterday. I was going through it. So, oh, it says here for the first time since 1973, the New York Knicks have won the NBA championship.
Chapter 2: How did the New York Knicks' championship impact the wrestling conversation?
And Zach has now left the show.
Just a little pickup game.
It says the Knicks won the NBA championship for the first time since 1973. I have a lot of New York friends. I'm sure they're still up and partying, so congratulations to them. But I would like to ask you, sir, that yes, the Knicks won the championship, but is that championship as big or bigger than Hogan winning in 84 over the Iron Sheik at Madison Square Garden?
Well, the people didn't wait 50 years for Hulk Hogan because they didn't know they needed a Hulk Hogan. So I'm going to say, yes, this is a little bit bigger. Bigger? Okay. I mean, I know there's recency bias, and it just happened less than 12 hours ago. But I think if you ask New Yorkers, they've been waiting a long time. And just the dramatic fashion in which...
I mean, again, I confessed to you last week. I'm on the bandwagon right now. I'm on the bandwagon. But I know that they entered the playoffs. They were in the field, so they had a chance. But it was a big field, and I certainly weren't necessarily the favorites. Ever since getting uncursed, man, from Danhausen, they have been ahead of steam.
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Chapter 3: What makes MJF stand out among current wrestling champions?
Just come back, come back, come back. Doesn't matter how long they're down. So I think for New Yorkers, yes, this is a little bit bigger than Hogan and the Sheik right now. It's pretty close, I think.
I mean, you think about the doldrums. The Sheik has the championship, so let's go back. So Bob Backlund is a WWWF champion, and he is in there against superstar Billy Graham, wins the championship in 1978. Iron Sheik defeats Bob Backlund at the Garden WWF championship in 1983. Was that when Arnold Scullin threw in the towel? Throws the towel in. What a finish. Right. Right. Actually.
And actually Scullin to me is the heel and all that. But he thought he was saving Bob because Bob's back's going to get broken.
Well, and then Bob came back to WWE in the 90s and actually played off of that. He said, I never lost. He played off of that and then he won the title and then he. It lost it two days later to Diesel. What a transition.
So I think that the Knicks winning the championship is cool, but Hogan, though, turned the tide for WWF fans because of the darkness that it was with Sheik being the champion. But then the other side of it is, what about Triple H winning his first championship in 2000 against Mick Foley? January 23, 2000. Is that what happened?
At the Garden. At the Garden. Against Cactus Jack. Was that his first world title win? Wow.
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Chapter 4: How do Cody Rhodes and Sami Zayn fit into the current wrestling landscape?
I believe so. Yeah, I guess that would have been because he was 99. He was still in the Intercontinental title world in 98, 99. Yeah.
So Nick's championship bigger than Triple H's first title?
I'm going to again say yes. And again, this is the bandwagon Knicks fan in me. I feel like I have a long skin in the game here. When you put it in perspective, find me a wrestler who had 50 years worth of chasing and coming up short of the world title. Find me that wrestler and then we'll... 50 years, man.
How big a story would that be? I've been chasing the title for 53 years and finally champion.
Spoiler alert, do you want to know what Sami Zayn's going to be doing in 25 years? That's going to be the storyline.
Wait a minute, that could be like action Mike Jackson, right? Who's still wrestling. Mike Jackson, still wrestling. He was in a TNA pay-per-view not too long ago. He's never been world heavyweight champion. That's a... Well, that's easy. He wrestled in the 70s, Continental. So, I mean, that's a possibility. I just saw a photo of Tony Atlas somewhere with a bookie.
I did see that. Too much too soon. Let me see your feet. I'll say, get him a pretty girl with some barefoot feet and let's, as a valet, let's book him. Love Tony.
I did see that. I don't know what title that was, but I saw him holding it up like, Tony, aren't you in your 70s? I mean, I don't know. If I make it to my 70s, I hope I look half as good as he does. I mean... That's true. And be champion as well. Right. So, you know, congratulations to New York Knicks fans.
But it's funny that we talk about championships because I was on Wednesday doing Bustin' Open After Dark after AEW Dynamite from Cincinnati. And we were talking about champions. And I just think for my money that the AEW World Heavyweight Champion, MJF, is doing the best work out of the major promotions in 2026 for me. And the reason why, Justin, is you look at not just the mic work,
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Chapter 5: What are the dynamics of the championship match on SmackDown?
So I think that's a pretty significant to do. And again... for, for listeners out there on this question, you look at all the different world champions, you know, men and women, you know, Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns, Liv Morgan, Rhea Ripley, MJF, Tecla. You look at the champions, this, the question isn't based on who has the most followers or who's the most popular. That's not the question. Right.
You know, it's based on who's doing the best holding that top title and what it's doing with that top title and, And I think even the most important metric in the wrestling business, even the most important metric of making money, I think the numbers have shown. I mean, numbers can be interpreted, and is it precise?
No, but at least it can show you the graph and which way things are moving in general, whether that be viewership on watching the shows or attendance. I think the numbers show when MJF is there, and especially when MJF is on top as champion or chasing, but more days than not, he is the champion, the graph is up and to the right.
Yeah.
I think it's deserved. And I know that my conversation with the nation on Wednesday night was polarizing because if you are dying to wool WWE fan, you know, you are believing in Cody Rhodes. You believe in the Roman reigns and you have no, I got no problem with that. All I'm saying is, is that, um,
People look at the WWE platform and believe that anything that WWE does is just golden, that everything is right. And I'm saying is that I think there's a little bit of a malaise that's happening, especially with Roman Reigns as a heavyweight champion, because we're running it back again with the Bloodline. Again, Bloodline is the greatest wrestling story ever told and the longest.
But there's a need for a little fresh coat of paint for Roman Reigns. And so hopefully that'll happen around the corner. With Cody Rose, we see what's happening with Gunther and Sami Zayn. Interesting. But as far as bell to bell, as far as the platform that he's utilizing, if you have a problem with TNA booking, you can't have a problem with MJF.
Because if you feel like there's an issue, he's cutting through the clutter. of whatever you think that is going on in AEW, because I know that's a constant criticism. But I think that MJF on his own platform is doing it. He's going out there and wrestling and winning matches. And I think that he's a great representative for the company.
Nothing against Darby Allin or what Will Ospreay could be this summer, but MJF as champion always delivers.
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Chapter 6: Why is Sami Zayn considered the last real good guy in wrestling?
Well, he delivers. I mean, he does the media. He does the media, and he walks a fine line of... You and I both, we don't love doing interviews where a character or a talent stays in gimmick. You want to try to get some real conversations, some real answers. I can see it from 8 to 10 on the show in gimmick. Let's have a conversation here. But he does a pretty spectacular...
showing of he walks a line where he gives you some mjf almost like he's treating you a little bit to like i'm gonna insult you the way mjf only could insult you but then he will stop and he'll give you some he'll peel back if you catch it if you catch it and if you follow up he'll give you some real answers he'll give you some real insight on a few things um and what he thinks so he does the media um yeah you know you you mentioned you mentioned roman reigns and you mentioned
You mentioned Roman and there's Cody. I don't think this conversation is a knock on Roman or Cody. In fact, maybe this is where we will disagree. We both agree MJF is the best world champion at the moment of any of the top companies. But in fact, I think this question brings out the result that both Cody and Roman have ascended to places that's beyond or above world championship status.
That they... They are who they are with all the magic, all the pomp and circumstance, title or no title. That then brings a conversation in the WWE hierarchy of, okay, that's great that you have two stars that are that, that are so reliable, that are so box office money, literally. It then brings up the conversation.
I guess maybe that's where they're at right now as we're in the early part of the summer is, okay, well, who's next? Who else is going to eat? Who else is going to be... who's Cody going to lend his hand down and pull up to that next rung to get a little bit closer to him? Who's Roman going to extend his hand out and help the business and lift up? And who is that?
And so I think that's where this conversation goes with WWE is that they have some guys that title or no title are megastars. It just then brings about, okay, well, the title's on them right now. Is it doing anything? Is it advancing anything, or is it in place to crown an Obafemi? Is it in place to give Gunther another title run? Is it in place to finally let Sami Zayn reach the promise?
I think that's where the question goes on the WWE side, so it's not a knock to those top guys.
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Chapter 7: How does the concept of 'never being champion' play into wrestling narratives?
But to the point, I think actively, day-to-day, week-to-week, MJF is your frontrunner and your world champion.
So there's a couple of things at work when it comes to MJF. You know, I love Crockett Promotions Wrestling, the NWA, the way it was booked. Dory Funk. And I think Dusty Rhodes also were part of the booking during that time in the sweet spot of the NWA. And the great thing about Ric Flair's champion is that everyone wanted a piece. Everyone would mention.
It's interesting how the promos work back then, Justin. It's like, hey, you got two minutes, whatever you want to talk about. Well, you know, the promotion's going right. It's grade A, nothing like the Jim Crockett promotions. And Ric Flair, I just want you to know, I know that you're a champion now, but I'm gunning for you. Then you talk about your program.
It's just the way that they did business back then in the 80s. They just, they have a checklist. Put over the promotion. I want Ric Flair, even though I'm in the middle of the car taking on someone else, right? They've just mentioned it. I got two minutes to work with. I'll just bring it up. I want a shot at the World Heavyweight Champion. Buddy Landell would say it.
Magnum says it like baby facing heels. This is happening in AEW as well. where you have baby faces and heels all saying, I want a shot at the World Tableweight Championship. Alito, Kevin Knight, you had the baby faces over here like Briscoe and Darby Allin. They're all saying it. They all want a shot at the World Championship, which means that you're raising up the championship.
It means so much more. The centerpiece to any sport is the champion.
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Chapter 8: What future storylines could emerge from the current championship scene?
And the championship. Every team in sports wants to be a champion. And so when you have eight or ten wrestlers on AEW saying, I want to be the World Heavyweight Champion, it just raises up MJF and raises up the championship that this title means something to me. That's wrestling, but that's sports also.
Yeah, which I love that. I love the fact that everybody should want to be world champion. I even love, we're seeing this even some... in WWE right now, and I'm going to bring it back to AEW in just a second, but I even like that in WWE, we're seeing some We're seeing some talent that have the mid-card titles.
We're seeing ladies that have mid-card, but they still want to succeed and get the title that's theoretically ranked above that. I love the pursuit of you always want more titles. Just because you have one title, I don't think that should preclude you from wanting another title. But back to AEW, yeah, right now, everybody's gunning for it. It raises it up.
I mean, I guess, and I don't always agree with this booking that AEW does, but I'll acknowledge and give credit that it works hand-in-hand with what you just described, and that is we never see squash matches or incredibly lopsided 85, 15, 90, 10 matches with any...
established TV talent even when in my booking mind even when there are times where it's like okay you're building this talent right now this talent should have a pretty handedly, you know, pretty handed win over this talent.
No, they're going to give you, you know, Will Ospreay is getting, getting put through death camp from the death riders, but no matter Ospreay still goes out and it's 20 minutes with his opponent and his opponent's got 20 minutes to compete with them. I don't, you know, again, if I had the pencil, I don't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do it that way, but it does lend itself to,
everybody's in the mix, everybody's capable, nobody's getting beat in five minutes, everybody's putting on a competitive match, maybe sometimes too competitive, but again, different philosophies.
So that does lean in and work complementary to the philosophy of everybody up and down the car is challenging for the world title, and everybody at any given week could be challenging and could have a match with MJF. So...
I just think that when I look at all the champions with Cody Rhodes and Roman reigns and MJF and Tecla live Morgan and Rhea Ripley, Mike Santana and TNA, um, uh, Leah Ling from TNA. I just think that when we look at these champions, MJF's doing a great job, but also on the other side with WWE with Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns.
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