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The Claire Byrne Show

Are we allowing our seas to be raided?

25 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

1.87 - 28.435 Claire Byrne

The Clare Byrne Show on Newstalk. With Aviva Insurance. Apparently everyone in Europe thinks we're nuts because of our fishing quotas. That's according to the owner of Gannett Fishmongers in Galway, Stefan Griesbach, who joins me now, along with Sinn Féin's Pádraig MacLachlan, who is the party's fisheries and marine spokesperson. But Stefan, to you first, what is the problem as you see it?

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29.022 - 47.014 Stefan Griesbach

Well, the problem is, good morning first, the problem is just the way we're managing our fisheries. I think, well, we've sold out our fishing rights to the EU, and within this, we're not really controlling the way we're catching fish in Ireland. It's just a lot of, in my opinion, unsustainable practice.

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47.467 - 59.219 Stefan Griesbach

We're not looking at the artisanal fishing as the main source of production because most of the fish has to be exported. There's low demand for seafood in Ireland, and the demand is very specific to certain species.

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Chapter 2: What are the issues with fishing quotas in Europe?

60 - 77.018 Stefan Griesbach

We're not trying to encourage people to eat a greater variety of fish. It's been an ongoing problem for generations, so it's not new. But now that the fishing has come at a standstill, we're seeing a big problem with the industry.

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76.998 - 81.364 Claire Byrne

Okay, so what are we doing? We're catching fish, but we are exporting it.

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81.524 - 107.325 Stefan Griesbach

Yeah, we're catching fish for the export market. That's most of the food industry in Ireland anyway. Everything is targeted towards the export, and then we're replacing with import. I mean, the fish industry is the case, the vegetable industry is the case. That was in the news recently as well. We don't produce food anymore anymore. There's a lot of talk from politicians about food

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107.896 - 110.98 Stefan Griesbach

Food safety and food, not food safety. Food security, yeah.

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Chapter 3: How is Ireland managing its fishing rights?

111 - 121.673 Stefan Griesbach

Food security. And I mean, if you're looking at the figures, except for the beef and the lamb industry, which are strong in Ireland, the rest, we are not, like, no, we cannot rely on our own production anymore.

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121.693 - 126.599 Claire Byrne

So the fish that we eat here in Ireland, you say 80% of that is imported.

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126.739 - 128.381 Stefan Griesbach

At least 80% is imported, yeah.

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128.601 - 130.583 Claire Byrne

That sounds crazy, doesn't it?

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130.704 - 151.522 Stefan Griesbach

It's ridiculous, like, you know, and I've been, like, you know, we've been shouting that for years, but like, you know, That's the reality of it. I mean, your salmon that you'll find in shops or restaurants is usually from Norway. Your sea bass, sea bream has been farmed in Greece. You'll have egg, which kind of used to be a reliable fish for us in Ireland.

152.023 - 161.837 Stefan Griesbach

Again, because the fleet has been decimated, most of the egg come from Scotland. One thing I liked in that interview last week was there's egg coming all the way from Namibia.

162.578 - 164.38 Claire Byrne

The egg comes from Namibia.

164.832 - 178.773 Stefan Griesbach

Namibia, not all of it, but like, you know, when there's shortage of egg, like, you know, on the, well, when there is no egg to be found in Scotland, some importers will bring in egg from Namibia, fresh egg from Namibia.

178.973 - 182.017 Claire Byrne

So, do we have egg in our waters here?

Chapter 4: Why is there a low demand for seafood in Ireland?

235.614 - 260.179 Pádraig MacLachlan

So those who had a track record continue to get the fish. And that means the injustice is locked in. You know, you can't change the injustice. We really, as a people, but our governments have allowed this passively for a long, long time. But it gets even worse because you have a common fisheries policy that rewards the industrialisation of fishing. So you have...

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260.463 - 282.044 Pádraig MacLachlan

A handful of corporations, massive corporations based in Holland that are given a very large proportion of the fish. They have super trawlers that go up and down the coast of Ireland, perfectly legally hoovering up fish of all species with no monitoring by our authorities. It's a national scandal and I'm pleased that Stefan is shining a light on it.

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282.064 - 289.812 Pádraig MacLachlan

It's shameful for our country that we have such a huge resource on our seas and it is given away without a fight every single year.

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289.825 - 295.556 Claire Byrne

But Stefan, to come back to you on this, we're not very good in Ireland at eating a variety of fish, are we?

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296.398 - 303.852 Stefan Griesbach

No, we're not very good. That's part of the problem. I mean, fish seafood is not really part of the Irish food culture.

304.338 - 332.674 Stefan Griesbach

uh something we we've been working on to try to change over the very many years but it's not like no it's not as important to the culture as like it would be in france or spain um or italy but i think i mean what poric said like no okay we can blame the eu for everything okay but like we have to look at our own like no at rondo as well a lot of mismanagement has been happening in dublin okay that's like you know we're not like you know we're not regular

333.194 - 353.688 Stefan Griesbach

We have an industry in trouble, but we're not really trying to regulate that industry ourselves in a more sustainable way. Everything has to be big boats, big fishing. We call it the industry. I don't like this word because it's like now we're talking about craft, like now tradition. traditional fishing has moved towards unindustrial fishing.

353.748 - 359.656 Claire Byrne

So are you saying that we should be encouraging the smaller boats to catch more fish?

359.676 - 368.247 Stefan Griesbach

We need to kind of change the focus. Obviously, the big boats, we need some big boats. I mean, I have nothing against the super trawlers. They are needed to catch some species. But

Chapter 5: What percentage of fish consumed in Ireland is imported?

607.669 - 613.221 Claire Byrne

And it's fair to say that Sinn Féin really underperformed in those elections. Were you disappointed?

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614.382 - 640.12 Pádraig MacLachlan

Well, in terms of both constituencies, like we put in our teams, I've seen it at first hand, put in a huge effort. In Dublin Central, we got a strong vote, but I do congratulate the Social Democrats and Daniel Ennis. It was their day in Dublin Central. By-elections have their own dynamics. Similarly in Galway West, we know that...

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640.1 - 653.441 Pádraig MacLachlan

You know, if you look at Fine Gael, we'd have a strong presence in Galway West. It would be maybe a more conservative constituency than most. We were always up against it over there. So it's disappointing, of course.

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654.343 - 665.28 Claire Byrne

But in Dublin Central, the party was divided between which candidates to pick, Janice Boylan or Gillian Sherratt, who was your party leader's preference. So that didn't help.

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666.172 - 691.306 Pádraig MacLachlan

It's true that there was division. It was a very close convention. But in fairness, once the decision was made, everybody get in behind Janice. And in fairness to her, she put in a real mighty effort. She came second overall. She was close to being top of the poll in the first count. So when you have a by-election... It creates its own dynamic.

691.326 - 704.503 Pádraig MacLachlan

I think for us, we would look towards the general election. The general election will be about the big picture, will be about, you know, the type of economy, fairness, cost of living, housing and health. They're going to be the big issues at the next general election.

704.523 - 715.737 Claire Byrne

Would you like to see a stronger alliance being built with the left between Sinn Féin and the likes of Labour? Because you had no bounce from the transfers from the Labour candidates, certainly in Dublin Central.

716.965 - 735.667 Pádraig MacLachlan

Yeah, I mean, for sure, we will continue to work at that, but we won't agree on everything. I mean, we're a Republican Party. We're on the left. We want strong public services. We want people to have affordable housing, affordable health care, affordable education. That's our policy. We won't agree with our political parties on everything.

736.007 - 741.133 Pádraig MacLachlan

But I think there's a broad alliance there, and I think that we can present that to the people in the next general election.

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