Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
The Clare Byrne Show on Newstalk. With Aviva Insurance. We start with the news that the government is set to withdraw state-supplied accommodation for about 16,000 Ukrainians. More than 125,000 Ukrainian refugees have arrived in Ireland since Russia's invasion of February 2022 with more than 94,000 offered state-supported accommodation.
I'm joined now by Nick Henderson who's CEO of the Refugee Council. Good morning Nick.
Good morning, Clare. Thanks for having me.
Your reaction to the news that essentially the government is winding down support for Ukrainian refugees?
Yeah, we're really concerned by these proposals, mostly and fundamentally because of the ongoing war in Ukraine.
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Chapter 2: What is the government's plan regarding accommodation for Ukrainian refugees?
People from Ukraine are here under the Temporary Protection Directive, which gives people protection while there is an ongoing conflict and war in Ukraine. The directive requires that people are given accommodation, and Ireland and the Irish people have been very welcoming and very generous towards Ukrainians. But we are really concerned that because...
in Ukraine to then wind down accommodation quite abruptly in some circumstances would be really, really problematic for people who are in that accommodation. Both people are in hotels. I think it's around 18,000 people. And then... Also, the people who are living in the 42,000 people who are in the accommodation provided by the accommodation recognition payment.
Which will be wound down as well.
Yeah, indeed. Recognition payment. Yeah, so they plan to, from the proposals that we've read, they would plan to end that by March next year, which is when the temporary protection regime will end, although there have been rumours and discussions that it could be extended again, which would change the situation fundamentally.
As we understand it, the ARP payment would wind down and end next March and be reduced, I think, to €400 in September. And the ARP can't be overstated how important that payment and that support is. 42,000 people from Ukraine hosted by 18,000 Irish people.
And it's probably the only avenue of accommodation that exists, both for people arriving in Ireland today who are only accommodated for 30 days,
uh or people leaving hotels people can try and get into the private rented market but as as we know that's very difficult and very expensive yeah i mean there are those who argued that that payment created an imbalance for people who were looking for accommodation rental accommodation in ireland that ukrainian people essentially had an unfair advantage what do you what's your response to that argument
We've seen that and we've put forward proposals to government about how it could be tweaked and amended with those concerns. I also think they, in some circumstances, been overstated. As we see it, quite a lot of the ARP accommodation would never be accommodation that would go on to the private rented market.
It could be a room, it could be a so-called granny flat that would never end up on the private rented market in the first place, so it's not drawing away supply from that market. But if those concerns do exist, I think they can be addressed either on a local authority, county level, or in other ways. And it's also a crucial safety net to avoid people falling ultimately into homelessness.
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Chapter 3: What concerns does the Refugee Council have about the withdrawal of support?
According to your own figures, many of these Ukrainian people have jobs now in Ireland. Well, they have employment permits. Others are in full time and further education. So there will be many of these people who will be able to afford market rent.
Maybe. And we're certainly not saying that everybody won't be able to move out that 18,000 figure. Those people won't be able to move out. Some will be able to move out. There's no doubt about that. And with the right timeline and the right supports in place.
It is possible, but our concern would be that for the people who are in very vulnerable situations or have a vulnerability, and I know the Minister has said that there would be safeguards for them, we'd have to see what they look like.
um but our concern would also be as as we've discussed just now the the the difficulty with the private rented market how difficult it is to provide to find um a private rented accommodation and and there is another case study for this which is the 5 000 people stuck in ipas accommodation
who themselves also have status, they theoretically can move on out into society, but they struggle to do so. So this situation is here because it is either reliance on hotels and the reliance on the ARP payment. These two safeguards or these provisions exist. because the private rented sector is so difficult to enter.
And what do you think is behind these moves?
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Chapter 4: How does the Temporary Protection Directive affect Ukrainian refugees in Ireland?
And we know that the government will say it's trying to align with the winding down of the temporary protection order if that happens in 2027, as you have explained. But do you think that there's a political motive here?
At the very least, as we see it, there's two differing approaches in government, it seems. One is that the Department of Foreign Affairs and the Taoiseach have said over the last two months, made reference to the ongoing war in Ukraine, the very real humanitarian challenges that Ukrainian people face, that there's been, I think, around 90 children killed in Ukraine in the last month.
At the same time, then, the Department of Justice are saying that these supports, which have been generous in part, increasingly less generous in recent years, that these supports would be wound down and don't seem to acknowledge or don't take into account whatsoever the fact that the war continues to exist. So there's two differing approaches.
And then finally, there is, as you said, there's the European Union approach to this. It's across all European Union member states, and they've met. The crucial things that they've said is that states should consider and prepare for voluntary return, but they should also consider and prepare for a transitional status for Ukrainians who are able to stay.
And as you've said, there are people living here, working here for several years, and children who've gone to school here and brought up here. I think the minister mentioned that briefly this morning, but I haven't seen it in reports as to what that transitional status will look like.
Yeah, and there's also talk as well, isn't there, Nick, of allowing people to go home or trying to figure out a way for those Ukrainians who can return home to smooth the path for them. But we don't know what that looks like either, do we?
No, the European Council framework that was agreed in September this year member states should prepare for some sort of voluntary return support.
And I don't think in the proposals and the reports that we haven't seen any proposals yet, just in the news reports that we've read over the last 24 hours, I haven't seen any elaboration on what that will look like, whether it will be the same as that which is available for people who have been through the international protection process or whether it will be the same provision across all EU member states.
I doubt that in a way. or whether more likely it will be something particular to Ireland. That remains to be seen. Just one thing that is going on in the background, and it was reported in EURACTIV, which is a European Union-focused newsletter.
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