Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What prompted the discussion about grocery price caps?
Now Sinn Féin's finance spokesperson, Piers Doherty, has said his party wants to see a grocery price caps commission set up. The aim would be to look at potentially setting maximum prices for basic groceries in your shop. But is it a feasible idea? Well, Alex Cleland is with me, owner of Cleland Supermarkets in Leash. Good morning to you, Alex.
Morning, Clare. How are you?
I'm very well. This is on the agenda because they're talking about it in the UK. There is support from Scotland for something like this because prices have increased so much over the last five years. What do you think?
As a retailer, prices going up are of absolutely no benefit to my business or any other retail unit. Mainly because the higher the prices, the less people are going to spend because they're restricted what their disposable income So that's no good to us. But the prices are rising because of costs that have been forced on us by the government.
So trying to put a price cap, if they're talking about the staples, like bread, milk and the rest of it, who suffers there? Because the people that will suffer there will be the farmers. And the farmers get kicked in the teeth enough in this country without... without the government then putting something in place that's going to force them to take the hit, which you can be absolutely guaranteed.
The likes of these big multiple retailers, they will squeeze their suppliers more and more and more. They won't lose margin, their suppliers will. So their suppliers are going to be under more pressure, which is going to make it more difficult for them to produce goods. the chances are they'll go out of business.
There's enough small retailers at the minute losing their businesses because of what government have done.
You mentioned there, and you've just done it again, you're blaming government for the price increases we've seen over the last five years. But is this not due to what we've seen happen in Ukraine and now in the Middle East? Like, where's the government responsibility there?
We are... I think that's a cop-out, to be completely honest. And the reason I say that is if you look at the billions that are wasted every single year through government spending and the public service, there's billions wasted. There's no accountability. I mean, the government, these guys are supposed to be the people that are controlling that. They have absolutely no idea how to control it.
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Chapter 3: What are the potential impacts of price caps on retailers?
So you have to go to the source rather than going to like retailers get absolutely shafted. They say, oh, they're ripping people off and the rest of it. The fact of the matter is the only place the consumer sees the retail prices on the shelves in stores. Other than that, they don't see how much it costs to get that product onto the shelf.
I mean, if it was a case that the retailers or any other business were ripping people off, why are so many closing down?
So talk me through where your costs have increased. What's your experience, particularly over the last couple of years?
OK, last year, my wage bill went up 100,000. This year, I had to make massive cuts with regard to the staff levels, the working hours of my staff, because obviously there was the auto-enrolment thing, this My Future Fund that was forced on us. The pension. The minimum wage went up, the pension thing, yeah. The minimum wage went up. I want to pay my staff better, but I'm paying the employer PRSI.
Employer PRSI, I would rather give that money to my staff rather than giving it to the government. So if they said to me, okay, you're paying a couple of grand a week in employer PRSI, pay that money to your staff. I'm paying out anyway, but I'd rather give it to my staff. That cost is going to be there. So if that cost is going to be there, give it to my staff.
They've got more disposable income, which means they can spend that in the economy or go on a holiday or, God forbid, actually put it towards buying a house if they could get one. So, I mean, these type of things can benefit everyone. But the government are just taking, taking and taking. I mean, they're expecting us to pay. We have to pay sick days.
We have to pay this to contribute to their pensions. Now, in a smaller company that can't afford that, they have no choice. Absolutely no choice whatsoever.
That's a good thing for the people who work for you, surely.
It is. It is if it was affordable. That's my point. If it's affordable for a business that can do it, then fantastic. But if it's a business that literally is on their knees, they're still being forced to pay it. They've no choice. There's no way that they can say, look, I'm losing money every single day. But yet you're telling me I have to pay this. If I don't pay it, I've got to pay a fine.
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Chapter 4: How do government policies affect grocery prices?
And you make no money on because the last thing you want to do is sell a product at the same sort of margins that you need to make because the consumer can't afford it. So you're losing money. There's a lot of product that you lose money on. I mean, one of the things the government could do is abolish best before dates. They're a waste of time anyway, because they're just purely for advice.
I mean, people seem to think that if you buy a tin of beans and it's got a date on it, you can't eat them after that. I mean, it's a tin of beans. No, honestly, it doesn't need a date on it. It doesn't need a date on it. It's absolutely stupid. But you'll get someone coming back saying, I bought these yesterday, they're out of date.
Yeah, I'd probably do that, Alex. I probably wouldn't eat the out-of-date beans.
But my understanding is there is somewhere in the legislation where the consumer is supposed to check the date on the product before they buy it, that the
that the responsibility is not on the retailer but yet the retailers take that responsibility on yeah I wouldn't like to meet you now with my tin of beans that was out of date going back in I get short shrift I mean you have to take it back don't you
Oh, we do, yeah. We look after our customers, but they have to have their receipt. If they don't have the receipt, then we can do nothing about it.
Listen, looking at the reaction to this, in the UK in particular, so, I mean, the former head of, or the current chief executive of Marks & Spencer says it's completely preposterous that this would happen. Then coming to Ireland, we have Retail Ireland saying that intervention has, in the past, has proved to cause harm. Artificial caps distort the supply chain.
What if, though, the onus wasn't on the supermarkets and it was on the government to intervene and to pay a subvention to the producers so that the price cap could be put in place, but that it would be the government taking the hit? Might that work?
Well, I mean, there's one thing that I would love to see. I mentioned to Alex there earlier on when I was talking to him this morning. There's something I've seen. It was many years ago over in, I think it was South Africa.
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