Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
The Clare Byrne Show on Newstalk. With Aviva Insurance. Good morning, you're very welcome to the programme. Now the Agriculture Minister, Martin Hayden, has hit out at his former boss, Leo Varadkar, for being unnecessarily divisive in his commentary on rural Ireland.
The former Taoiseach has caused huge unease within Fine Gael after claiming urban dwellers need to be more blunt in telling rural people that we're the ones paying all of the bills. Well, I'm joined on the line by Francie Gorman, President of the Irish Farmers Association. Good morning, Francie.
Good morning, Clare.
Were you offended by it?
Not offended, but surprised. And I think the comments were ill-judged.
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Chapter 2: What controversial comments did Leo Varadkar make about rural Ireland?
They're divisive. And you said that they caused greater unease in Fine Gael. I can tell you they've caused a lot more unease in rural Ireland and among our members who were really, really annoyed at those comments.
So what is the concern? I mean, Leo Varadkar is no longer involved in politics. So why be so upset about it?
I suppose he was Taoiseach of our country and I would have worked with him for four or five months when I became president of IFA and always felt that he was collegiate in how he went about doing his business and that he had a real regard for people in Northern Ireland.
But obviously his comments yesterday showed that maybe that wasn't the case and I think the concern that we have as farmers is that Is that a narrative that when people are at their dinner parties in South Dublin and they're talking around the table, that it's a feeling that rural Ireland don't contribute?
And I mean, if you go back to when we had the financial crash in 2008, the two industries that kept the country on its knees, or on its feet, were agriculture and tourism. And Clare, it's not about being divisive. I've always said, as President of IFA, any time I spoke about food production, that it's not just us produce the food. We depend on our lorry drivers to pick up our milk.
We pick up our stock to go to processing plants. We depend on people who work in them to deliver it and get it to market. And overall in society, whether you're a farmer or a nurse or a guard or working in RTE, everybody needs each other. So I was surprised that someone who had served as teacher of the country would be as divisive in his comments as he was in this podcast.
But look, at the end of the day, maybe it's about getting attention and trying to be relevant.
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Chapter 3: How did Martin Heydon respond to Varadkar's remarks?
But he's no longer Taoiseach and he is a private citizen and he is entitled to his private views. But you would be concerned about it.
Just listening to what you're saying, are you worried then that this is the Fine Grail view of farmers?
Concerned I think that there's been a disconnect I think between government and rural Ireland over the last couple of years in particular and going back I think if you look at the cost of doing business which I would and we would have outlined in IFA over the last two years, three years in particular, that that issue hasn't been addressed.
But the Minister for Agriculture distanced himself from the former Taoiseach's comments, as did the Taoiseach yesterday. But you would be concerned when you see how the Mercosur trade deal panned out. It was in the programme for government and yet we had to lobby extremely hard to have that honoured. And then we had the issue of
Obviously the issue of the rising fuel costs, availability of fertiliser and the price of fertiliser. We warned the government in talks on the 1st of April before the protest started that if they didn't do something significant on it, that this would happen. And to be clear, The interventions that they made at the cabinet meeting earlier on were completely insufficient to solve the problem.
There's a bit of a hangover after the protests. Isn't that what's going on, where there's a group of people in Ireland who feel that the country was bullied out of €750 million? And that's maybe what's playing out here in his comments, a level of frustration at what happened.
Possibly, but that isn't the view in rural Ireland. I mean, we have farmer contractors and farmers who are going to, tillage farmers in particular, who are going to struggle to cover their costs in a way that you couldn't imagine at the start of the year. And the government's response to this
but it was six million out of 250 million initially which was just given uh it was it was showing a complete disregard to the problems that existed in rural ireland on this i think it's fair to say it is it is it is a bit of a hangover but for the teacher of the country to make those com our former teacher of the country to make those comments um like they are divisive and there was no need for them and
I'd be very disappointed if you heard the current Taoiseach saying that if he was retired in a number of years' time. And certainly as President of IFA, I always take the view that, and we have in IFA, that when you step down in this position as President of IFA, you're gone and you don't make it more difficult for your successors coming after you to do the job.
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Chapter 4: What concerns do farmers have about the perception of rural contributions?
And you certainly don't go about making the job of your successor more difficult. And I think that Leo Varadkar's comments have made the job of government in general more difficult after a very, very difficult week for the country.
So Simon Harris there, who you mentioned, he has, in a sort of an oblique way, he sought to distance himself from the comments. He said he wants to see the country pulled together. He finds hardworking people who put their shoulder to the wheel in every part of Ireland. Do you think he needs to be more explicit, though, in distancing himself from those comments made by Leo Radker?
I think it will be a help, and I think that the Minister for Agriculture's comments are more explicit. And it is about bringing everybody together. I mean, we represent, we have 71,000, I think, 71,328 members in our association from different backgrounds, from different sectors, be it dairy, beef and sheep. And the job is to try and keep everybody together and united.
And it's the same in the country. We need the country united, whether you're a farmer, whether you're a teacher, a guard, a nurse, driving a truck or a farmer contractor. And comments like that after the week or fortnight that we've had were really, really unhempful. And I was just surprised that the Taoiseach made them.
We're the ones paying all the bills. You're the ones in receipt of a lot of subsidies and a lot of tax benefits that other people don't get.
To be fair, Clare, when we entered the European Union, we were net beneficiaries of a lot of funding from the European Union. We're now net contributors. Some of the benefits that we have are needed there. You won't have the transfer of farmland to the next generation if you don't have those tax reliefs.
And the supports that we get in rural Ireland are well earned and we provide good value in terms of our exports. And we're not the only sector in the country that's subvented. Every sector in some shape or form is subvented one way or another.
And if you don't have that, you don't have an economy and you don't have a country and you don't have a community that will move forward with people on equal funds.
Absolutely not and that is not the case.
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