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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
The Clare Byrne Show on Newstalk. With Aviva Insurance. Now Marwan Barghouti is arguably the most prominent Palestinian prisoner and has been in an Israeli prison since 2004. His son Arab has been campaigning on behalf of his father and he joins me in the studio. Arab, you're welcome and welcome to Ireland. Your father was imprisoned in 2004, as I mentioned.
He was found guilty of five murders, attempted murder, membership of a terrorist organisation. The Israelis say he's a terrorist, isn't that right?
Yeah, the Israelis say, anyone who says no to the occupation as a terrorist, this labeling of terrorism is a colonial language. It doesn't mean anything anymore.
Chapter 2: Who is Marwan Barghouti and why is he significant?
Nelson Mandela was labeled a terrorist. My father is a politician. He's part of Fatah. Fatah was the party that went for the Oslo Accords, accepted the coexistence with the Israelis. And he was the Secretary General of Fatah in the West Bank. And as
a parliamentarian as well, he was voted as a parliament member and his role was to lead the people and he told the people to go to the streets, he demonstrated, he was in every demonstration and he became the face of the Palestinian uprising in 2002, between 2000 and 2005. And that's why they wanted to silence him. They wanted to put him in prison because he had become a really effective leader.
And of course, it was a kangaroo trial. And these are not my words. The Inter-Parliamentary Union report says that it would be impossible to say that Marwan Barghouti has been given a fair trial.
Okay, so do you and he deny that he's guilty of those charges?
Of course. He's a politician. Again, he wasn't involved in military actions. And again, if you go to the specifics of that trial, the judge called him a terrorist from the beginning of the trial. So there was no... Before any evidence was heard. Yeah, before.
You were 11 at that time when he was jailed and you were there on the day he was sentenced.
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Chapter 3: What are the accusations against Marwan Barghouti?
Is that right?
Yes. Yeah, I was. And I remember that day very well because it was, you know, I had a traumatic experience because I was attacked by an Israeli settler at the courtroom while I was like 13 back then, because when he got arrested, I was 11.
and that was just the start of this journey that I had to live with my father being away from us not being there in any occasion of my life and you know this is very important to talk about because the day-to-day of the Palestinian life is way more important than to talk about the politics and all of that these are the details that matter.
Have you been able to see him?
Yes, I used to see him like once every two years, sometimes three years, but I haven't seen my father in four years. And I haven't been able to hug my father in 24 years, which is since his imprisonment. He's never met his six grandchildren in his life. And we're campaigning for him to change that.
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Chapter 4: How does Arab Barghouti view the labeling of his father as a terrorist?
We're campaigning for all Palestinian detainees because everyone lost their minds on Israeli captives, but no one is speaking on behalf of these innocent people.
And you believe in recent months he's been assaulted a number of times?
Yes, he has. Since October 7th, he was put in solitary confinement as part of the collective punishment policy against the whole of the Palestinian people. Obviously, he had nothing to do with it. But he was put in solitary confinement and he has been assaulted 10 different times.
The last three times we learned about them from the lawyer visit, who's the only one who can go and see him, which is every few months only. He learned that on March 24th he was assaulted, on March 25th and on April 8th. One of them, they used a dog, they put him on the ground and they let the dog to start kicking him with his paws.
Another time, they assaulted him to the point where he was bleeding for hours, asking for medical treatment with no medical treatment there. And it's worth mentioning that almost between 90 to 110 Palestinian detainees have been killed inside Israeli prisons in the last two and a half years. If that was happening to Israelis, everyone would lose their minds.
And when there was the deal, the hostage deal that was struck and there were prisoners released, you were hopeful at that time that your father would be released. And indeed, some prominent Israelis were campaigning for him to be released at that time, believing that he could be instrumental in helping to negotiate a peace.
And I mentioned when you came into the studio, Gershon Baskin, who seems to be a supporter of your father's campaign for release. Why do you think it was that he wasn't included on that list at any time?
Yeah, not only that list. In the last 15 years, more than 800 Palestinians have been released with life sentences from prison during exchanges like this. But they always insist on keeping him. And we have to ask ourselves why. Because he's not a security threat. Everyone knows that.
But he's a political threat to the current Israeli government's objectives, which is the full dominance over the land, the expansion of the Israeli state, occupying Lebanon, occupying Syria, bombing different countries with impunity.
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Chapter 5: What was the impact of Marwan Barghouti's imprisonment on his family?
So Palestinians, we all suffer in our own way.
And I understand your position on this. Your father always believed, didn't he, in a two-state solution. Does he still...
I mean, of course, that's been his political vision always, the coexistence. But he's always said, adjust peace without the freedom of the Palestinian people. There's no way we can have peace while we're under apartheid. I think he's not delusional, of course. He's a very well-educated politician.
He has a PhD in political science, embodies the Palestinian struggle, understands it like no other person does. And he understands that the Israeli government is now attempting to kill the idea of the Palestinian state and to kill the two-state solution. And on the ground, like if you go and see the West Bank, it's just like, you know, a bunch of ghettos.
We don't have like an actual... This is where you live. Authority. Yes, this is where I live. And we don't have actual authority. Like if... A 19-year-old Israeli soldier decides that he wants to close a city, he will close it right away. There's no one who can talk to him or any accountability. And I think this is very important because, yes, my father does support the two-state solution.
But I think what's more important is ending the apartheid and ending the Israeli occupation, because we can't talk about like the end solution if it's one state, two state, whatever. But at the same time, the Palestinian freedom and living with dignity, living in our own land, our ancestors land is the most important question and the most important objective that we all go after.
Do you believe in your heart that he will be released at some point?
Yes, I have no doubt. I've always dreamt of the day that I will hug my father and I will do whatever it takes. And the most important person in our family, according to my father, is my mother. She's the one who founded the campaign to release him. She's the one who fought for Palestinian political prisoners overall.
And seeing her being driven by her amazing efforts for his release is what drives me. And I had no doubt in my mind that we will be reunited with my father in Palestine. We will get back to our home. He will meet his six grandchildren that he's never met before.
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