The Most Chilling Social Experiment Ever | Universe 25
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What is Universe 25 and why is it significant?
Universe 25, one of the most disturbing, terrifying, and controversial experiments ever conducted, not on human beings, but on mice. What if you put a bunch of mice into an enclosure and give them all the food and water they want, but they're on top of each other in tiny little apartments, much like a city like New York, LA, or Chicago? What happens? Unfortunately, one researcher discovered that there's societal collapse. Men become aggressive and start to fight each other. Women start to attack their own young, neglect their children, and the birth rate declines. And many researchers over the decades have mapped this to human behavior. Is this where American society is going? Are we entering into an eventual collapse?
Well, all that and more will be explored today on this episode of Camp. We will go through how the experiment was decided, how it was set up, what were the factors that went into it, what do the critics say, why is this not like American or human society, and what can we learn and how can we change our lives in order to create a more just and peaceful place for ourselves to live. So, sit back, relax, and welcome to Camp. What's up, people, and welcome back to camp. We are not in our beautiful, wonderful tent. Instead, we are here outside of a hotel in Atlanta, Georgia. This is take two of this amazing episode we're about to record on Universe 25. Our first take was interrupted.
Yeah, it was invaded by injured Tanzanians in their 80s.
And I'm sure the people at home are like, what do you mean? How does a podcast get invaded by a menagerie of Tanzanians?
By a geriatric Tanzanian just recovering from knee surgery.
Well, here's the clip, and just to give you guys context of what happened. Even if... A little bit more towards you, Mark. Yeah, that's fine. So that's basically what happened. In the middle of our recording, the slowest invasion of all time happened. Yeah, and I didn't like how you treated that guy. What do you mean? What did I do?
You came and you go, hey, you're f***ing up my podcast. No, I didn't do that. You said, hey, old f***. I did not do that. Why don't you waddle into someone else's show?
That's not true.
This is Camp Gagnon.
Kristoff is doing a bit. We're not on PBS, you old f***. For anyone that doesn't know, this is my friend Christoph. We started comedy in Orlando together, and he's on the road with me right now. We're doing shows at Healing in Atlanta. It was a great time. It's been great. And you're going to be on the road with me for a couple more shows.
Yeah, Indianapolis for a show, Austin, and then the ones around New York, like Philly, Connecticut. Hell yeah. Yeah.
So, come on out to a show. But, let's get into Universe 25. Let's do it. We got into it a little bit yesterday. Yeah, we did. Still start from the top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. But now you know a little bit. But now I know a little bit. Universe 25, maybe one of the most disturbing... And by disturbing, I mean just kind of like morbidly strange experiments.
Yeah, it's disturbing if you, the obvious applications for real people. Yeah. It's a pretty one-to-one. Like you can go, oh, those are mice. It's not the same. And then you start reading it and you go, it's pretty much the same. Yeah, unfortunately, humans are animals. Yeah. No, I trust mice implicitly. I do. I think a mouse, if a mouse is having a hard time, I probably have a hard time too. Yeah, facts. You ever see them push the lever for cocaine? Oh, yeah. Do you know that if they push the lever and they always get cocaine, it's not that interesting? Yeah, you need variable reward. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. If you push it sometimes and you get blow, you're fucking mad. But if you do it like, oh, yeah, I know, yeah, I get blow over there.
Humans are the same way. Yeah, exactly. Isn't that strange? That's why you see people at casinos just like,
Yeah, that's why, yeah, if you just won the slot machine every time, it wouldn't be that fun. Yeah. But if you win sometimes, mostly never, then it's awesome.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is Universe 25 and why is it significant?
0:00–4:15
2
How does overcrowding affect social behavior in Universe 25?
4:15–6:33
3
What were the key findings from the Universe 25 experiment?
6:33
4
What does the breakdown of social structures in Universe 25 reveal about modern society?
5:46–7:33
5
How does Universe 25 compare to urban life today?
7:33–27:11
6
What are the implications of the 'beautiful ones' phenomenon in Universe 25?
27:11
7
What lessons can we learn from Universe 25 about community and isolation?
9:09–1:08:59