Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
I just want to say that I feel like at the beginning of this investigation, I was very clear.
Chapter 2: What role did Phil Lyman play in Charlie Kirk's investigation?
I said there will be no fakeness and there will be no gayness in this investigation. And apparently there were some people who did not take me seriously or literally because there are a lot of little lies being told. Right. Charlie gets assassinated and the very people who were threatening him reputationally and financially are now trying to memorialize him as having died as a friend of Israel.
OK, challenge accepted. All lies will be revealed and we're going to help reveal those lies forever. Also, yesterday we asked for the public's help in identifying two individuals who Phil Lyman's nephew described as his close friends who decided to retrace the path of Charlie's killer. And what we have discovered thus far is absolutely stunning. This story couldn't get any crazier.
By the way, I did speak to Phil Lyman, and I'll tell you what he told me and what he insisted that we clarify. Now, I would say that it's getting weird, but honestly, right from the jump, it's been weird. So welcome back to Candace.
It took him a little over two weeks, but now Bibi Netanyahu, with maybe a little help from Turning Point USA, I'm thinking, is releasing the letter, the May love letter from Charlie Kirk to Israel. Just out of nowhere, he was just overcome with love for Israel.
And he decided to write this love letter to the prime minister about how they could fight harder, how they commit themselves further to the Israeli cause. We're going to get to that later. And we're just going to slaughter that narrative that Charlie died pro-Israel. But first, I want to jump right back into what we uncovered yesterday to keep you guys focused.
I presented to you guys in short that the gubernatorial candidate, Phil Lyman... was a bit, in my opinion, too involved in the investigation of who assassinated Charlie Kirk. Just he was saying and doing a little too much. And his energy was weird. And the energy of Tiffany Barker was weird. And we were clear that's potentially just because, you know, he's a politician, an aspiring politician.
Maybe he wants to assert himself as a leader in Utah. This assassination has taken place.
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Chapter 3: What new protocols were introduced before Charlie's assassination?
But I also felt like maybe he potentially knew a bit more than he was letting on. Now, the Lyman family in general was everywhere all over this investigation. We introduced, and I said his name was Shane. I'd like to correct that record. His nephew, Shaner Broderick, who rather notoriously retraced the footpath of the killer with his two close friends. They were like, here, here it is.
Chapter 4: What was the significance of the letter regarding Charlie's views on Israel?
The converse footprint is right here. They even created a map. OK, Shaner even created a map of where exactly the killer walked and the media used his map. And of course, the Lyman's car was in the driveway just 20 minutes before I feel Lyman reiterated to Fox News. It was just 20 minutes before I pulled into the driveway, my aunt's house, and I parked my car.
And then 20 minutes later, the killer walked.
Chapter 5: Who are the individuals connected to Phil Lyman's nephew in the investigation?
Killer was limping by. Now I'll let you guys know that when our episode finished yesterday, I had a message or two from Phil Lyman, despite the fact that I had reached out to him hours before we began our show. And he was understandably upset. He at first was sort of focusing his energy toward Nick.
the person that I told you worked on his campaign and just wanted to help out in the investigation. Now, Phil would like me to clarify that Nick never worked on his campaign. And by the way, I looked back and that was actually my mistake, not Nick's. I thought that when Nick had first introduced Lyman to me over the phone, that he said, oh, like, I am...
You know, I'm working on his campaign and apparently that was not accurate. So I take full credit for that. That was completely, again, something that I came up with by accident. Now, the other things that he was interested in me clarifying were also not really substantive issues.
And I want to say that Nick having not worked on his campaign actually makes it even more odd that he would stop by his house this past Saturday. Well, regarding why, by the way, he stopped by Nick's house at all on Saturday, he said that it was because he was helping Nick out early on in the investigation. Yes, that is true. I told you guys that.
And Nick was particularly asking him to determine who owned a white vehicle that was parked in the neighborhood, which was nearby where the shooter had walked. Nick lives nearby and everyone locally had had looked at this vehicle and said that it was remarkably suspicious. And Phil had come back to him and said, I can help you figure out more about this vehicle that was parked.
Nick had nothing but a picture of that. But that was over two weeks ago. So I have no idea why that would have anything to do with why he was stopping by Nick's place. Obviously, that car is long gone. It's been gone. And the fact that it appeared and then disappeared is one of the reasons why Nick wanted somebody to look into it. So...
I'm not entirely clear why he needed to stop at Nick's house to speak to him and why that would be on his list of things to do. Now, I am told, according to a very strong source, that what Phil Lyman was doing in town on Saturday was he was meeting with Tim Ballard. That's totally random. Did not expect to hear that.
Tim Ballard, if you are not familiar with him, is formerly of Operation Underground Railroad, which is a charity that is dedicated to helping to stop human sex trafficking. I even remember, by the way, when we were all speaking about that plane transponder that turned off, that the individuals that owned that plane were wearing an Operation Underground Railroad T-shirt.
So I wasn't expecting that. I am going to reach out to Tim Ballard. I know him. I've actually interviewed him. And I used to donate to that charity because I was so moved by my interview with him when I was working for Prager University. But moving on from that, Phil also disputes something that was quite strange, that Shaner Broderick is his nephew. I said, OK, wait a minute.
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Chapter 6: What evidence points to a conspiracy surrounding Charlie Kirk's assassination?
He came up here to the parking lot, got in the car with an individual, and they drove away. Well, that's not the story that came. It's that he escaped another route. And there are people who are coordinating this thing. I do not believe... That that 30 out six that they showed recovered in the bushes was ever on the roof. I think it was in the bushes to start with.
And now I'm not saying that Tyler Robinson wasn't on the roof. I'm not saying he didn't pull a trigger. I know I was in very, very close proximity. So another interesting thing, like I say, I left the front of the stage. I wanted to meet some of my friends and bring him down front. So it was clear at the east end and I heard this loud boom. I heard this loud bang and I turned around.
I'm looking like, what was that? What was that? And pretty soon some people started running, everyone was trying to process. And I thought this is a gunshot and there's gonna be more of them. I thought it could turn into a mass shooting. So I go to the people closest to me, everyone's ducking down behind the concrete retaining walls.
And some of them were still kind of oblivious, but there were two people that were standing there. Two girls, very goth, very black, you know, and I just walked and I stepped up to the side and I said, did that not happen right here? Did did you hear that? Was that right here? They said, yeah, it was just right over there.
So they're confirming, yeah, the shooter or wherever that sound came from is right here. The thing that didn't really dawn on me is that they were not running. They were not frightened. In fact, as I stepped up, I heard one of the girls and they were talking to each other and they're looking at these kids, looking at the scene down below them of all these people fleeing for their lives.
And she says, go F yourselves. And like I say, I was not processing that. I was trying to figure out what was going on. I thought this is a separate conversation. I don't know what it is. In hindsight, as I've watched that over and over, it's like these people were not afraid.
OK, and on News Nation, I want you to listen carefully because he at first says that he was about to walk into the building and the shot rang out. But then he says he ran out of the building after the shot rang out. So let's take a listen to that. I walked up top. I had to go meet some people. So I was down there.
When he started talking, I thought, I'm going to go up top and meet some of the people. So I got clear up on top, and I was just coming around the corner, walking into one of the buildings, and I heard a loud bang that I thought was right behind me. And I turned around, looked at the girl that was there, and she was kind of looking stunned. Like, what was that?
And I'm looking at her and then see a little bit of commotion. I realized right then it's a gunshot. So... So I ran out, the people running in the building, I ran out to see who it was. I'm thinking, this is a lot of kids out here. And then a few minutes later, then the police were running, saying, did anybody see? Did anybody see? I think it was on the roof above me.
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Chapter 7: What inconsistencies exist in Phil Lyman's statements?
And in hindsight, I think it was probably above me on the roof. Okay, so a couple of those statements are what I would describe as little lies. Well, they're just not true because at 12.23, according to his metadata, because he sent it to me, Bill Lyman was inside of the building and he must have then immediately, according to our timeline, hit record and And he didn't run.
He calmly walked out of Sorensen Building. I hope I'm saying that right, the Sorensen Building. And he wasn't the only one that was walking calmly. And I'm not, by the way, none of these people are suspicious to me, walking calmly because they're inside the building, not really sure what they heard, perhaps. And they're all kind of walking calmly out. And I'm going to show you that footage.
And to be clear... you're going to see two girls that are simply wearing black by no stretch of an imagination. Would I refer to these girls as gothic? Actually, I think one of them is actually a guy, but they're wearing black, not dark makeup. There's just black. And he asks them, what I can hear audibly, is he asks them, what was that?
So I don't know how certain he was that it could have been a shooting. But I'm going to let you watch it first, and then we're going to try to clean up the audio. Now, if you're listening to this online, on a podcast and you're not be able to watch this, you might want to turn this down because it is visual. Take a look. You can just sort of see everyone up top.
A couple of people were actually out there, are ducking. He was on the inside. Like I said, this was at 1223, so he was inside, walked out. And then he's going to start a conversation with two people that are just wearing black. And...
And then you see he continues, the video goes on for like three minutes and he just sort of walks down and he engages in a conversation with those two girls and they answer him. There's nothing here that seems to me to be controversial. When he hears them say something about FU, it's before he has a conversation with him. It does happen. Take a listen. Trying to isolate this audio for you guys.
Those are the two girls he's talking about. Actually, I think one's a guy. You see where that came from? It was right here, wasn't it? It was like over here. Yeah. So he says, did you see where that came from? It seems like a normal conversation, kind of weird for me.
And there's a reason why I'm saying that to hone in on these two individuals and to say like gothic and to pretend that they were doing something that looked abnormal, given the fact that in the longer video, everyone up top is quite calm because I don't think they're really entirely sure what is happening. And some of them are ducking because maybe they saw it because they were outside.
So I wanted to get to the bottom of as I said earlier, of who that second person was in the photo with his nephew, cousin, whatever you want to call him. And we got just one hit. And it was, honestly, it was from Belfast, North Ireland, no less. Somebody sent us an email. And he said, look, I conducted an interview, an internet wide search of the person's face.
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